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30 Jun 2011, 5:55 pm

Does anyone else here support their country's Green Party? I'm especially curious about what fellow Canadians think about our Green Party/Elizabeth May. And if you don't know much about them I'd highly recommend reading their platform on their website--you'd be surprised at all that's in there.

For those unfamiliar with it, Green ideology believes in living in harmony with the environment (duh) but also a lot more. The 6 key tenants (as stated by the Global Greens) are:
Ecological wisdom
Social justice
Participatory democracy
Nonviolence
Sustainability
Respect for diversity
Green parties are almost always left of centre (in Canada, our Greens are social democrats in many ways. In Britain they could be called socialists).



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30 Jun 2011, 6:13 pm

The 'New Zealand/Aotearoa Green Party'?

While I respect the way they remain aloof of the usual parliarmentary sniping and one upmanship I find them ultimately dominated by bourgoise baby boomers who want to have their cake and eat it too, and not interested enough in class politics or ecconomics.
Both the members I respected have left one was a hard left woman and the other a militant green rasta, now all thats left is just sad 'liberals' trying not to really offend anyone too much and sitting on the cross benches with an irrelevant labour party that no longer represents either a working populace or a socialistic vision [they do still sing the red flag at their convention though with little enthusiasim and obvious embarassment :lol:].

I'm watching the new 'Mana' party with interest but little hope as desperate times call for desperate measures and there is neither the public awareness or attendant will.

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30 Jun 2011, 7:29 pm

The green party in the USA is worthless, failing to even raise awareness of issues in a manner that lends itself to serious discussion.



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30 Jun 2011, 8:36 pm

No, I would not support the greens., Their policies are an economic catastrophe if they are ever implemented and they would tie up people's personal lives in red tape. Was it Denmark or Sweden that recently tried giving the greens a controlling majority in government and their popularity was very short-lived?


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30 Jun 2011, 8:51 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
The green party in the USA is worthless, failing to even raise awareness of issues in a manner that lends itself to serious discussion.

America's Green Party is so lame, it does not even rise to the level of worthlessness!

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30 Jun 2011, 9:42 pm

I wouldn't support them anyways but I don't think they're even really active in my state. Environmental politics just isn't very popular in this part of the country as far as I know. Thought of as a job killer.



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30 Jun 2011, 10:17 pm

Assuming our way of living and economic structure can be sustained, I'll support any party - even the Greens. But I prefer the conservative party.


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01 Jul 2011, 12:54 am

I can't support any party. But if the Little Green Men could shut off political hot air and campaigning energy consumption to reducde the government'sd carbon footprint I would be all for it.

That is only about one third in jest.



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01 Jul 2011, 7:41 am

@blauSamstag: No party in the USA other than the big two has been able to rise to significance. Those two parties have become institutionalized, making it nearly impossible for another party to become significant.

@John_Browning: As opposed to the economic disaster we'll face if we continue to ignore climate change? And may I ask if you've actually read a Green Party's platform?

@Philologos: Interestingly, the Canadian Greens brag that their campaigns have the smallest carbon footprint (and at the moment they emit less hot air than other parties). One of their signature campaign strategies is that the leader tours the country by train, holding short rallies at every stop.



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01 Jul 2011, 7:56 am

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@Philologos: Interestingly, the Canadian Greens brag that their campaigns have the smallest carbon footprint (and at the moment they emit less hot air than other parties). One of their signature campaign strategies is that the leader tours the country by train, holding short rallies at every stop.


Good for them - say I sincerely. Of course the whistle stop campaign is easier in the land to the north than here, but I have often regretted its demise here. If they stopped by here I would go down to the station and check it out.



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01 Jul 2011, 8:22 am

End corporate personhood!

I like them.


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01 Jul 2011, 8:28 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
End corporate personhood!

I like them.


Them?

Greens or corporate persons?

And what would an end to the legal fiction of corporate personhood accomplish that could not be handled otherwise?



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01 Jul 2011, 10:22 am

Philologos wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
End corporate personhood!

I like them.


Them?

Greens or corporate persons?

And what would an end to the legal fiction of corporate personhood accomplish that could not be handled otherwise?


How does corporate personhood make any sense?


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01 Jul 2011, 10:25 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Philologos wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
End corporate personhood!

I like them.


Them?

Greens or corporate persons?

And what would an end to the legal fiction of corporate personhood accomplish that could not be handled otherwise?


How does corporate personhood make any sense?


It permits a limitation of liability of the stockholders.

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01 Jul 2011, 12:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
How does corporate personhood make any sense?


It permits a limitation of liability of the stockholders.


We can find another way to accomplish that without allowing corporations all the benefits of citizenship with none of the responsibilities.


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01 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm

I don't really give a damn about green politics. The environment is nowhere near my list of top priorities which are constitutional rights and economics. Climate change being solely man made is junk science afaik. Apparently the earth is going through a natural cycle with the strong possibility that we are making it worse.