Why does the US have twice as many Psycopths as the UK?

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12 Jan 2012, 7:59 pm

Looking up Pscyopathy I noticed the US rate is about 1:100 and the UK rate is about 1:200. Any idea why.



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12 Jan 2012, 8:04 pm

U.S. culture encourages psychopathic and narcissistic traits. Most C.E.O.'s of large companies would fit the bill of Hare's psychopathy checklist. Psychopaths don't exist in a vacuum. They may have a genetic predisposition but their environment nurtures their antisocial tendencies.
If you're interested in that kind of thing try reading "The Sociopath Next Door" or "The Psychopath Test".



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12 Jan 2012, 8:19 pm

JesseCat wrote:
U.S. culture encourages psychopathic and narcissistic traits.


And UK culture doesn't?



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12 Jan 2012, 8:30 pm

Maybe ours are just diagnosed more than those in the UK.


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12 Jan 2012, 8:46 pm

Tequila wrote:
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U.S. culture encourages psychopathic and narcissistic traits.


And UK culture doesn't?


Didn't say that UK culture doesn't. Didn't mean to imply that.



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12 Jan 2012, 9:53 pm

yanks are as aggressive as all hell and in your face hyped up on meth

poms are mild mannered diplomats generally retreating in manner

the stats are biased and reveal cultural norms rather than true sociopathic criminality

However, I am weary of the yankees or any dominant group, it goes to their heads



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12 Jan 2012, 10:03 pm

Surfman wrote:
yanks are as aggressive as all hell and in your face hyped up on meth

poms are mild mannered diplomats generally retreating in manner

the stats are biased and reveal cultural norms rather than true sociopathic criminality

However, I am weary of the yankees or any dominant group, it goes to their heads


Well, I'm not a Yankee, I'm a Southerner. ;-)


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12 Jan 2012, 10:19 pm

JesseCat wrote:
Most C.E.O.'s of large companies would fit the bill of Hare's psychopathy checklist.


I think they're the same as any rulers in any society of modern humans, since that's what they are. I'm not sure that they're all born socio/psycho-paths or if getting to the top just demands a psychopathic approach on top of any social-skills-based (and organisational-skills-based) 'talent'. The ends justify the means and all that.

You seem to be saying that psychopaths are a superhuman master-race; see my longer post on another thread on the subject as to why I feel they're also subhuman at the same time in a way that balances them out. {Remember humans all have roughly the same brain size and complexity, and thus - logically - brainpower} Much the same has, ofcourse, also been said of us auties, although I find it clear that our societies' over-valuation of intellect should lead one to take 'autistic supremacy' type arguments with more than a pinch of salt_



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12 Jan 2012, 10:22 pm

JesseCat wrote:
U.S. culture encourages psychopathic and narcissistic traits. Most C.E.O.'s of large companies would fit the bill of Hare's psychopathy checklist. Psychopaths don't exist in a vacuum. They may have a genetic predisposition but their environment nurtures their antisocial tendencies.
If you're interested in that kind of thing try reading "The Sociopath Next Door" or "The Psychopath Test".


I don't really believe this is true. I've seen how selective people can be with their "empathy" and capacity for compassion, and I would be unsurprised if most CEOs are only effectively psychopathic in specific contexts, just as many people are.



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12 Jan 2012, 10:31 pm

Verdandi wrote:
JesseCat wrote:
U.S. culture encourages psychopathic and narcissistic traits. Most C.E.O.'s of large companies would fit the bill of Hare's psychopathy checklist. Psychopaths don't exist in a vacuum. They may have a genetic predisposition but their environment nurtures their antisocial tendencies.
If you're interested in that kind of thing try reading "The Sociopath Next Door" or "The Psychopath Test".


I don't really believe this is true. I've seen how selective people can be with their "empathy" and capacity for compassion, and I would be unsurprised if most CEOs are only effectively psychopathic in specific contexts, just as many people are.


Exactly my point; a 'broader sociopathic phenotype/spectrum' would end way into 'normal' territory with someone who just isn't happy to destroy the lives of others in order to bolster his own.



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12 Jan 2012, 10:32 pm

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Well, I'm not a Yankee, I'm a Southerner. ;-)
ah the southern quiet and even tempered gentlemen and his charming southern belle...

I loved that movie 'no country for old men' that killer was a nut job



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12 Jan 2012, 10:43 pm

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OliveOilMom wrote:

Well, I'm not a Yankee, I'm a Southerner. ;-)
ah the southern quiet and even tempered gentlemen and his charming southern belle...

I loved that movie 'no country for old men' that killer was a nut job


Well, I may be charming but our men are anything but quiet and even tempered!

I never saw that movie. What's it about? I'm not really big on movies.


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12 Jan 2012, 10:58 pm

The birth of border drug crossings in Texas during the 70's, and the hyper violent changes that occurred to border town society due to the frequent drug trafficking

Its a Coen Brothers movie about cultural change in border towns with Mexico.

maybe the cocaine has something to do with those stats
but I'm guessing an old Indian curse may be thrown in for good measure 8O



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12 Jan 2012, 11:23 pm

maybe because the us has more than twice as many people in total?



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12 Jan 2012, 11:26 pm

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maybe because the us has more than twice as many people in total?


That shouldn't make a difference in overall rate. If you have 1:200 people with a condition in one country, and 1:100 people with that same condition in another country, simple population numbers cannot account for the discrepancy.



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12 Jan 2012, 11:51 pm

RobotGreenAlien2 wrote:
Looking up Pscyopathy I noticed the US rate is about 1:100 and the UK rate is about 1:200. Any idea why.


Because America rewards it (Wall Street).