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22 Jul 2011, 2:45 am

I support free trade agreements. I think they prevent war.


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22 Jul 2011, 6:31 am

I strongly support free trade as well.

Opposition to it, even subtle, is based on protectionism.

A failed philosophy.



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22 Jul 2011, 8:35 am

Free trade can be a good thing but these "Free Trade Agreements" are a misnomer. They're anything but free trade, they're managed trade. NAFTA is 2000 pages to rules and regulations, the WTO is 29,000 pages long!



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22 Jul 2011, 8:46 am

Free trade is like colonization, except with multi-national corporations as the colonizers.
They find a weak country, set up shop, exploit the natives by working them long hours at low pay, and pollute the environment in ways that would be illegal in more developed nations. When the land is wrecked and the price of labor begins to rise, they move on to another country.



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22 Jul 2011, 8:56 am

YippySkippy wrote:
Free trade is like colonization, except with multi-national corporations as the colonizers.
They find a weak country, set up shop, exploit the natives by working them long hours at low pay, and pollute the environment in ways that would be illegal in more developed nations. When the land is wrecked and the price of labor begins to rise, they move on to another country.


As opposed to no hours and no pay. Like Haiti or Somalia.

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22 Jul 2011, 10:07 am

YippySkippy wrote:
Free trade is like colonization, except with multi-national corporations as the colonizers.
They find a weak country, set up shop, exploit the natives by working them long hours at low pay, and pollute the environment in ways that would be illegal in more developed nations. When the land is wrecked and the price of labor begins to rise, they move on to another country.


In theory Free Trade looks good, but so far it has only caused outsourcing of jobs increasing the number of unemployed, homeless and poor people. It has allowed huge corporate organizations to exploit other contries and the people who live their while doing much damage to the land and such. It does not give people in these countries 'oppurtunities' like some believe...as a rule what happens is the rich in those countries benifit but the general population tends not to and the poor are really screwed. It's actually pretty messed up.

I recommend the book Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man, though it is kind of a boring read in some ways....but I am sure they have documentaries on this sort of thing.



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22 Jul 2011, 10:43 am

NAFTA is sovereignty theft by another name. Free trade is great but NAFTA is bull.

Jacoby wrote:
Free trade can be a good thing but these "Free Trade Agreements" are a misnomer. They're anything but free trade, they're managed trade. NAFTA is 2000 pages to rules and regulations, the WTO is 29,000 pages long!


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22 Jul 2011, 11:31 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
Free trade is like colonization, except with multi-national corporations as the colonizers.
They find a weak country, set up shop, exploit the natives by working them long hours at low pay, and pollute the environment in ways that would be illegal in more developed nations. When the land is wrecked and the price of labor begins to rise, they move on to another country.

Why doesn't the government of the country pass environmental legeslation to protect the environment? Maybe it is because if they do the United States will judge them as communists and murder everyone in government. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?


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22 Jul 2011, 11:38 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
NAFTA is sovereignty theft by another name. Free trade is great but NAFTA is bull.



Huh? I'm gonna need an explanation for that one, and it better be better than messkin teenagers driving big rigs on federal highways.



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22 Jul 2011, 11:39 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Is the third world suffering because of American money or American military?


Only these two options to choose from?



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22 Jul 2011, 11:55 pm

I believe in a mild form of economic nationalism. I do not support any trade that does not work in our favor. I'm all for exports, but limiting imports unless it's something we are lacking. Free trade costs American jobs. The economic theories that make it seem like a great idea only work out for a handful of people in practice.


DarthMetaKnight wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
Free trade is like colonization, except with multi-national corporations as the colonizers.
They find a weak country, set up shop, exploit the natives by working them long hours at low pay, and pollute the environment in ways that would be illegal in more developed nations. When the land is wrecked and the price of labor begins to rise, they move on to another country.

Why doesn't the government of the country pass environmental legeslation to protect the environment? Maybe it is because if they do the United States will judge them as communists and murder everyone in government. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?

Environmental legislation is expensive to enact and enforce and it also kills jobs. That's why developing countries don't want to participate in it.


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23 Jul 2011, 8:05 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
NAFTA is sovereignty theft by another name. Free trade is great but NAFTA is bull.



Huh? I'm gonna need an explanation for that one, and it better be better than messkin teenagers driving big rigs on federal highways.


Starting point: http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=531


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23 Jul 2011, 9:32 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?

Both



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23 Jul 2011, 9:33 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?

Both


And without either the third world would still be suffering.

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23 Jul 2011, 9:48 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?

Both


And without either the third world would still be suffering.

ruveyn


And your point is?...they are already suffering so we have every right to exploit them and make them suffer more?



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23 Jul 2011, 9:52 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
. Is the third world suffering becuase of American money or American millitary?

Both


And without either the third world would still be suffering.

ruveyn


And your point is?...they are already suffering so we have every right to exploit them and make them suffer more?


That is not my point. The third world folk suffer because they are primitive, short sighted and will not lower their birth rate. That is the case whether or not "imperialists" take advantage of them or not.

Frankly I think we ought to let them cause their own deaths and misery and not get involved either positively or negatively . Let natural selection take its course.

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