Men's Rights

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Those guys are insane.


The "Men's rights" movement, I mean.

what is their platform? I read somewhere that there are many of them in Sweden now so that Men have a voice in public social policy that often only favors women. Rape is one instance where, as in Julian Assange's case, you can be apprehended, put on trial, and imprisoned if the women has misgivings after the act of sex. Feminists want to take this definition of Rape global because it is "fair." Prostitution, Porn, Equal Opportunity Employment, Alimony, Child Support and Custody I imagine are probably other issues as well that are probably brought up often.

Equality however is an iffy issue, because it's a fleeting pursuit. What happens after you try to gain a 50/50 balance... do you fight to keep it balanced? No. Most groups who fight for this balance(equality) end up being partisan and only caring about the group they represent. Therefore, by definition, Mens Rights Groups must exist to advocate on behalf of Men. And rightly so... moving forward, the world we have built no longer favors men in any way, and while the world we used to live in favored the physically powerful, that is no longer the case.

Women are not only doing well, but this tomorrow, as articulated in various WSJ, NYT, Salon, Slate, and WP articles I've read, will only be women dominated. They represent the majority of tomorrow's college-educated, tomorrow's management, and tomorrow's breadwinners for the family (in what ever shape that may take on in the future). Men, however, who have enjoyed success in the past have a shakey future, meanwhile, all of the current problems that have plaque'd men in the past still persist today and likely into the future. More likely to commit crimes, drop out of high school, more likely to do drugs, more likely to get killed, more likely to engage in violence, more likely to be the victim of violence, more likely to commit suicide, more likely to not get a job, more likely to not attend college or graduate from college, etc. A mens empowerment and advocacy movement is relevant.

That women succeed at they levels they do today and even more so in the future is a great leap for mankind and human history, but that men fail is not. It is not good for Women, it is not good for the future of Families, it is not good for society as a whole. It is not good for crime rates, it is not good for domestic violence, etc. A side tangent: The glorification of being Peter Pan in popular culture of males(as modeled in Jackass, RoadTrip, and American Pie) wherein you never have to grow up has psychologically castrated Men.

So nice if only Big Brother would let you interact as individuals and not members of sets, groups, teams, races, ethnicities.

I will, on second thought, spare you the anecdote. Some are not into my anecdotes, and it only further dyes my monkey.

Unfortunately, that process often applies also to stupidities.

All BS passes through three stages:

First it is ridiculed by most people except a bunch of idiots.
Then the bunch of idiots that promote it become even more stupid.
Then the bunch of idiots believe their BS has become truth and that's the reason their BS is so violently opposed.

Hmm...

As long as they also support men's right to be a bit gender-ambiguous, I can support their ideas. If they're just a conservative misogynist faction trying to mock feminism, screw 'em.

However, it speaks volumes that the OP suggests that these people are "insane" for no specific reason other than their idea that men have rights also.

In America, there are some areas of law and some states where being a man means you essentially have no rights at all.

Child custody, child support, rape, etc.

Even in matters of gender discrimination and sexual harassment. The law is gender neutral. If the act happened, it is actionable, but when a man claims to be a victim, he rarely is taken seriously.

I can't say for sure whether Assange raped those women, but generally speaking i believe that women do not typically go out to breakfast with their rapist the day after.

at any rate, the perception of men in western society is getting very poor.

I greatly resent the fact that if i'm walking through the park and see a crying child all alone, I'd best avert my eyes and walk in an entirely different direction and just hope some woman takes notice.

I will certainly agree with you on custody and support. When it comes to custody, guardianship and maintenance neither parent has any rights at all. The right of access is the child's right. The right to maintenance and support is the child's right.

For too long people have perceived custody battles as a competition between parents for the exercise of the parents' rights. This is in my view bad law and it is also morally wrong.

There is one, and only one, standard for the adjudication of disputes regarding children: the best interests of the children in question. Period.

Now, if decision makers are uncritically awarding custody to a mother, and imposing a support obligation on the father without according visitation privileges, then the argument is not that the father's rights have been violated, but that the best interests of the child are not being respected.



Here I think you do have a stronger argument. Because sex discrimination and sexual harassment prohibitions were introduced to address issues that existed primarily relating to discrimination against and harassment of women, those have continued to be the perceived foci of the prohibitions.

But don't be too gloomy. Put some support behind the gay community and we will (as we have done so often) lead the way for you. Gay men are able (in civilized jurisdictions at any rate) able to complain about discrimination and harassment, and will pave the way to normalizing male presence on the complainant's side of the arbitration table.

You would know.

Basically.



Well, I do have reasons, of course. I just didn't state them. If you're familiar with the "movement" it would be self-evident why I said that. Of course men should have rights, I am by no means contesting that, but the MRM are just a bunch of pathetic misogynists.

Fwiw, Assange has yet (as of last week, anyway) to be charged with anything, much less put on trial or convicted. Also IIrc neither woman actually wanted to charge him with rape - they wanted to see if they could make him be tested for STIs. It was entirely a political, prosecutorial decision using a minor complaint that was blown up into a trumped-up smear.

"Men have rights also" but it is insane to believe that anyone needs a reminder of this. The belief that after feminism people are forgetting men rights is ridiculous at best. Then again, they are probably entirely clueless about what is it not to have your rights respected.


It takes a heterosexual white man to be so clueless about what is it to "have no rights at all".

Vexcalibur

WTF is that supposed to mean?