Are Republicans right do the Rich or the Wealthy create Jobs

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22 Jul 2011, 1:36 am

Are Republicans right do the Rich or the Wealthy create Jobs ?

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22 Jul 2011, 1:45 am

No, smart people who invent things create jobs. Pouring money into the hands of wealthy people who do not invent new products or contribute anything of material good to society only encourages the growth of unstable bubbles as said wealthy people invest in financial shenanigans to satisfy their insatiable greed rather than contributing to anything useful.



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22 Jul 2011, 6:32 am

Who here has ever been employed by a poor person?



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22 Jul 2011, 6:49 am

Most people haven't been employed by a wealthy person either. Just being fair here. In fact, stable jobs are usually given by impersonal organizations like corporations. New businesses also are not clearly a matter of "being wealthy", as it depends upon an entrepreneurial tendency, which is not the same as wealth. I think the major variable a person would look into would be called "Investment", and we can still have progressive taxes and chop down investment incentives as low as possible.



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22 Jul 2011, 6:52 am

minervx wrote:
Who here has ever been employed by a poor person?


der .. deh ... erp.

Rich people used to employ people in their own countries with outsourcing they don't.
So I say f**k em.


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22 Jul 2011, 8:16 am

Rich people preserve wealth, mostly. Higher taxes correlate with higher economic growth, just look at GDP by year and compare with the highest marginal tax rate. This may or may not mean that higher taxes on the rich create higher GDP, but it certainly proves that high tax rates don't harm GDP.

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22 Jul 2011, 8:19 am

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In 1896, Democratic Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan made reference to trickle-down theory in his famous "Cross of Gold" speech:

There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that if you just legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, that their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it.


This is the best approach.

Businesses have been doing their best to keep wages and benefits as low as possible. Giving more money to the rich isn't going to cause them to be generous to their employees.



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22 Jul 2011, 8:36 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
minervx wrote:
Who here has ever been employed by a poor person?


der .. deh ... erp.

Rich people used to employ people in their own countries with outsourcing they don't.
So I say f**k em.


Do not give up hope. In time rich Chinese tycoons will outsource and employ dirt poor Americans for only pennies a day.

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22 Jul 2011, 9:05 am

they create lots of jobs in other countries.



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22 Jul 2011, 9:07 am

pandabear wrote:

This is the best approach.

Businesses have been doing their best to keep wages and benefits as low as possible. Giving more money to the rich isn't going to cause them to be generous to their employees.


Within reason, the bottom up approach has much to recommend it.

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22 Jul 2011, 10:29 am

Incredibly low taxes on the rich. Tons and tons of bailouts.No accountability. The rich in the US are the happiest rich in all over the world.

How is employment doing in the US right now?


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22 Jul 2011, 10:39 am

It is both yes and no.

As Democrats would define "wealthy," a lot of ordinary people who have done well would be in that group.

To create jobs, you need capital. Either in the bank already or the ability to get a loan/credit line.

To create jobs, you need to be willing to take the risk.

The problem is that if you heavily tax "wealthy people" (with Obama defining $250,000/year/household as "wealthy"), you hit hard most all the people who are of ordinary means who would be the ones creating the jobs. Without the promise of financial reward, there is no justification to risk.

Believe it or not, a lot of business owners and job creators take home less than their employees until their business really starts to take off. Make it harder for them to find their pot of gold and they don't have an incentive to put in the effort.



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22 Jul 2011, 10:44 am

Not really no, Other then the few wealthy people that actually do give a crap about their fellow humans and run their buisness the right way....but seriously those on the very top are really just a bunch of criminals increasing their own income regardless of the negative consequences the rest of the world has to deal with.

I have to admit what they do works because a lot of americans are already blaming the state of the economy on the existance of welfare, disability, unemployment ect. like those on the bottom are the ones somehow dragging the entire worlde economy down...when in reality its that small precentage of wealthy who are sucking all they can out of the masses rather than that idea a lot of people have about a trickle down system.....well we have the reverse of that and to me its obvious why that might cause some problems.

Thing is they only have power so long as the masses are totally divided...



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22 Jul 2011, 10:54 am

Trickle-down economics gives big businesses an unfair advantage over smaller businesses, so they don't create jobs as much as they eliminate competition.



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22 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm

Money in the hands of the rich / businesses does more to benefit society as a whole than money in the hands of the government.



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22 Jul 2011, 12:27 pm

US must currently be very benefited then.


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