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15 Nov 2010, 1:37 pm

if you die and go to heaven, do you forget all your bad memories and remember the good ones?
Is it the opposite if you go to hell?



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15 Nov 2010, 1:58 pm

I doubt you forget anything.

Of course, in heaven, the bad memories wouldn't matter anymore.

In hell, the best memories would fail to give comfort.



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15 Nov 2010, 3:20 pm

Been there, done that (both of them).



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15 Nov 2010, 5:43 pm

The idea as it was explained to me is that you will lose your memories, your thinking mind, your body. What will be left for divine reward(or punishment) will be the soul, something that is not conscious of details of a former life.

If you have a problem with the idea that some part of you gets punished for deeds unremembered, well, too bad: that is gods will. If you dont like the idea of the traits that defined you or the bonds that connect you to your loved ones being lost when you go to heaven, thats the way it is. Which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.


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15 Nov 2010, 7:19 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
The idea as it was explained to me is that you will lose your memories, your thinking mind, your body. What will be left for divine reward(or punishment) will be the soul, something that is not conscious of details of a former life.

If you have a problem with the idea that some part of you gets punished for deeds unremembered, well, too bad: that is gods will. If you dont like the idea of the traits that defined you or the bonds that connect you to your loved ones being lost when you go to heaven, thats the way it is. Which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.


this "god" character sounds like a real douche.


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15 Nov 2010, 10:24 pm

waltur wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
The idea as it was explained to me is that you will lose your memories, your thinking mind, your body. What will be left for divine reward(or punishment) will be the soul, something that is not conscious of details of a former life.

If you have a problem with the idea that some part of you gets punished for deeds unremembered, well, too bad: that is gods will. If you dont like the idea of the traits that defined you or the bonds that connect you to your loved ones being lost when you go to heaven, thats the way it is. Which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.


this "god" character sounds like a real douche.


Thats my thought on the matter too.

The first paragraph is the answer I received from several people when I was younger (and religious). I asked about sex in heaven, and the joys of eating too much cake(and other physical joys), about missing people who didnt make it to heaven. I was told that I(you) wont miss them because your mind doesnt survive... just the soul goes.

Anyone with some rationality and a penchant to thinking then realizes my second paragraph. The soul, polished or tarnished, reaps what you have sown without understanding why(or even being able to understand why).

conclusion: god probably enjoys kicking the comatose.

Sooner or later someone will come along and claim here that you do indeed remember your past life. But thats a can of worms too. Say you loved your dad fiercely and make it to heaven, and... hes not there. God just... made you... not care? Distracted you with his magnificence? Took the love away? Its not exactly heaven if he didnt, is it?

If Dads not there, you know where he is, dont you? And how could you be happy knowing he was suffering ultimate torment?

Or maybe... god made a dad doppelgänger for you? A nice clone, and you cant tell the difference. Isnt that so nice of god to deceive you? To spare you that pain by lying to you for eternity? Hes god, he gets to do whatever he wants. He knows best.


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15 Nov 2010, 10:45 pm

ivegotyou wrote:
if you die and go to heaven, do you forget all your bad memories and remember the good ones?
Is it the opposite if you go to hell?


according so sylvia browne, much of what are commonly believed to be heaven and hell are both at a right angle to the earth plane. in heaven, the traumatized spirit is carefully acclimated to his most recently passed previous traumatic lifetime, and the luckier [more evolved] spirits with great recent lifetimes completed, are debriefed and eventually matriculate into helping positions with the recently passed. hell is in the vicinity of "outer darkness" and is a highly individual place- IOW every primitive hell-bound spirit has the choice of remaining in hell or going through the "left door" into immediate earthly reincarnation, with all memory of any previous incarnation selectively blocked from consciousness. more advanced but still flawed recently-passed spirits undergoe a highly individual purgatory before matriculation into the higher lighter regions. all of the more advanced spirits [ones specifically excluded from the left door] undergoe multiple life reviews and study what was done wrong and how one could improve in the next lifetime.



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15 Nov 2010, 10:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
ivegotyou wrote:
if you die and go to heaven, do you forget all your bad memories and remember the good ones?
Is it the opposite if you go to hell?


according so sylvia browne, much of what are commonly believed to be heaven and hell are both at a right angle to the earth plane. in heaven, the traumatized spirit is carefully acclimated to his most recently passed previous traumatic lifetime, and the luckier [more evolved] spirits with great recent lifetimes completed, are debriefed and eventually matriculate into helping positions with the recently passed. hell is in the vicinity of "outer darkness" and is a highly individual place- IOW every primitive hell-bound spirit has the choice of remaining in hell or going through the "left door" into immediate earthly reincarnation, with all memory of any previous incarnation selectively blocked from consciousness. more advanced but still flawed recently-passed spirits undergoe a highly individual purgatory before matriculation into the higher lighter regions. all of the more advanced spirits [ones specifically excluded from the left door] undergoe multiple life reviews and study what was done wrong and how one could improve in the next lifetime.


It sounds like she cribbed that from "journeys out of the body" by Robert Monroe.

Sounds like shes a stinker of a human being too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne

Four failed marriages? I'd say her "psychic" ability sucks.


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16 Nov 2010, 12:50 am

Where the hell do people get this imaginary "information"?



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16 Nov 2010, 1:53 am

para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."



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16 Nov 2010, 1:56 am

auntblabby wrote:
para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."


I agree absolutely that there is much to be discovered but it is a sad mistake to accept naive fantasy as discovery.



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16 Nov 2010, 2:04 am

Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."


I agree absolutely that there is much to be discovered but it is a sad mistake to accept naive fantasy as discovery.


how can one know absolutely that there cannot be such a thing as heaven?



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16 Nov 2010, 2:16 am

auntblabby wrote:
Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."


I agree absolutely that there is much to be discovered but it is a sad mistake to accept naive fantasy as discovery.


how can one know absolutely that there cannot be such a thing as heaven?


How can you know absolutely that at night a secret demon doesn't sit under your bed waiting to grab your naked foot?



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16 Nov 2010, 2:22 am

Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."


I agree absolutely that there is much to be discovered but it is a sad mistake to accept naive fantasy as discovery.


how can one know absolutely that there cannot be such a thing as heaven?


How can you know absolutely that at night a secret demon doesn't sit under your bed waiting to grab your naked foot?


i used to believe that, until i was an adult. heaven is a useful belief for me, whether or not its existence can be proved in whatever manner. i agree with red skelton.



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16 Nov 2010, 2:50 am

auntblabby wrote:
Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
para-butchering shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt-of in the philosophy of those who believe in only the physical world which the five senses can discern. i am reminded of a comment by the late comedian red skelton, who said "i believe in the 6th sense, but not the other five."


I agree absolutely that there is much to be discovered but it is a sad mistake to accept naive fantasy as discovery.


how can one know absolutely that there cannot be such a thing as heaven?


How can you know absolutely that at night a secret demon doesn't sit under your bed waiting to grab your naked foot?


i used to believe that, until i was an adult. heaven is a useful belief for me, whether or not its existence can be proved in whatever manner. i agree with red skelton.


Reality is bitter medicine but it is healthy.



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17 Nov 2010, 1:34 am

Sand wrote:
Reality is bitter medicine but it is healthy.


for me, reality is a hairshirt. it is what i must tolerate in order to get my heavenly reward. if there were no heavenly reward, i would have chucked everything under the bus decades ago.