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29 Jul 2011, 9:39 am

Ghandi is the most overrated historical figure ever. He was racist.

"We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."
-Ghandi

Also Ghandi liked to sleep naked with women in order to test his ability to not have sex with them. That's f***ing creepy.


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29 Jul 2011, 9:44 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Ghandi is the most overrated historical figure ever. He was racist.

"We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."
-Ghandi

Also Ghandi liked to sleep naked with women in order to test his ability to not have sex with them. That's f***ing creepy.


Ghandi once suggested to the Jews of Europe that they bare their throats to the Nazis. He was a screwed up little man.

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29 Jul 2011, 9:56 am

Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.



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29 Jul 2011, 10:55 am

donnie_darko wrote:
Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.


Tried what?

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29 Jul 2011, 11:15 am

ruveyn wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.


Tried what?

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They tried to preach a message of pure and unconditional love and nonviolence. No they weren't perfect, in fact there's quite a few things I dislike about both, however I think they were sincere and truly believed in, and for the most part stuck to their ideals. So what if Ghandi had some racist tendencies, I mean the Founding Fathers were very flawed individuals yet we idolize them as national heroes and admire their legacy and ideals that they didn't always live up to.



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29 Jul 2011, 11:19 am

He who neither is nor feels overrated or underrated may cast the first cowpat.

Anyway, the minute the media notice you you will be overrated or berated, and Gandhi's rep is not his fault.

Evaluate what he did, ignore the press clippings.



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29 Jul 2011, 11:56 am

mother teresa is more of a demon than a saint.

as for ghandi, he is overrated and he might be one sick puppy but at least i dont know of any atrocities like the teresa "hospitals" :roll:


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29 Jul 2011, 12:50 pm

I'm sorry. I really can't stand this. It's a pet peeve of mine. The man's name was Gandhi. Not Ghandi. Gandhi, with the H after the D. If you're going to question the reputation of the national hero of the Indian people, at least do him the service of getting his name right.

My personal opinion on this is, he may not have been perfect (which of us is?), but this does not negate all that he did for the advancement of his people, his nation, and the cause of nonviolence. He was jailed, and starved, and ultimately killed for his political beliefs, and called upon the people of British India to respond to brutality with peaceful protest. When he wrote the article about South Africa, he was still rather young and influenced by segregationists. As he got older and experienced imprisonment, he grew more open to other points of view on the issue.

The American founding fathers were hardly perfect either, especially by our modern standards-- particularly their ownership of slaves. But that doesn't prevent (most) Americans from appreciating Washington and Jefferson for their accomplishments during the founding of the United States.


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29 Jul 2011, 1:36 pm

^^^ W O R D !
Jefferson was a great writer, but an incompetent douche as a president. His greatest accomplishment, the Louisiana Purchase was a direct violation of everything he stood for. .. And how about that world embargo, eh?

And he knew it too. Why do you think he didn’t want his presidency noted on his tombstone?
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29 Jul 2011, 3:57 pm

I'd give him a

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30 Jul 2011, 2:52 pm

The truth is, most people are more similar to Hammurabi than to Gandhi. They would rather live by "An eye for an eye" than by "Makes the whole world blind".



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31 Jul 2011, 7:37 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Ghandi is the most overrated historical figure ever. He was racist.

"We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."
-Ghandi

Also Ghandi liked to sleep naked with women in order to test his ability to not have sex with them. That's f***ing creepy.


You forgot: he also admitted to beating his wife in his memoirs. However, beating one's wife was considered to be normal in his day and age. And expected, I think.

I read that he had some gender identity issues, and that he liked to make himself seem more feminine at times. The "spiritual wives" with whom he slept had some significance to this, but I can't remember what it was. We can't really guess all his motives for sleeping with his followers.

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My personal opinion on this is, he may not have been perfect (which of us is?), but this does not negate all that he did for the advancement of his people, his nation, and the cause of nonviolence. He was jailed, and starved, and ultimately killed for his political beliefs, and called upon the people of British India to respond to brutality with peaceful protest. When he wrote the article about South Africa, he was still rather young and influenced by segregationists. As he got older and experienced imprisonment, he grew more open to other points of view on the issue.


^I agree with this.

I read that Gandhi was very cunning and good at manipulating popular opinion for his own cause, and that only someone with these traits could have been able to unite the Indians in the way that he did.

He was also known for his violent temper in his youth, but was known to have meditated and made a real effort to control it. Personally, I admire him even more for seeing a cause bigger than himself, despite his inclinations, and sacrificing so much for it.

It's possible that most prominent historical figures are known mostly because they had a certain ruthlessness about them. Thomas Edison knew that Tesla's alternating current was arguably safer and a lot more useful than his direct current, but he did everything he could to make it appear as though it wasn't (I think he used it to kill an elephant). He also screwed Tesla out of a lot of royalties and credit.

Interesting fact: Martin Luther King, Jr. habitually cheated on his wife, and was found to have plagiarized his doctoral dissertation, some content from his speeches, and his other academic papers.



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31 Jul 2011, 7:53 am

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Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.

I don't know much about Gandhi, but Mother Teresa was an evil, evil woman responsible for an obscene amount of suffering, and the world is much better off with her dead.

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31 Jul 2011, 8:37 am

you_are_what_you_is wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.

I don't know much about Gandhi, but Mother Teresa was an evil, evil woman responsible for an obscene amount of suffering, and the world is much better off with her dead.

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Where and when, exactly, did Mother Teresa get turned into Stalin's sister? Okay, fine, I am aware of why some Socializer Christians are down on here, and I know that for the world in general being an outspoken woman gets you no points and that an outspoken Christian woman is viewed as demonic.

But where are her piles of mangled corpses, exactly?



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31 Jul 2011, 9:28 am

Philologos wrote:
you_are_what_you_is wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Ghandi and Mother Teresa both were far from perfect. However at least they tried.

I don't know much about Gandhi, but Mother Teresa was an evil, evil woman responsible for an obscene amount of suffering, and the world is much better off with her dead.

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Where and when, exactly, did Mother Teresa get turned into Stalin's sister? Okay, fine, I am aware of why some Socializer Christians are down on here, and I know that for the world in general being an outspoken woman gets you no points and that an outspoken Christian woman is viewed as demonic.

But where are her piles of mangled corpses, exactly?


Where was Stalin mentioned. M. T. believed that suffering had virtues. A very unuseful attitude if I may say so. If people suffer it is more useful to find out why and prevent such suffering.

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31 Jul 2011, 9:33 am

look up her hospitals they are more than controversial


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