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Is it right to hate bad people?
No, they are in desperate need of love 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
No, we should love everyone 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
No, but we should care somewhat less about them than we do about innocents 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No, but it's understandable to hate them 19%  19%  [ 4 ]
No, but I hate them anyway 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
I'm not sure really 19%  19%  [ 4 ]
Yes, but I still can't help but feel some love for evil people 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Yes, but I don't really hate them, just their actions 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
Yes, people should pay for their crimes, and that means being hated 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Yes, and I hate evildoers with a passion 19%  19%  [ 4 ]
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30 Jul 2011, 3:37 pm

I've always been a believer that we are all imperfect and that we are all fundamentally good, so the idea of hating 'evil' people seems pretty abhorrent to me. I guess because if you love people conditionally, in a way you don't really love them at all, since hypothetically that love could always disappear.

Should we hate evil people, people who commit murder and other atrocities, or should we love them and pray for their souls? Is it good and right to hate the wicked? Is it wrong and evil to love wrong-doers?

I've gotten a lot of flack for saying we need to extend our love to compassion to the worst people in our society, but I still believe strongly we have to or else we will never really have a peaceful society.



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30 Jul 2011, 3:59 pm

Hatred solves nothing, and can motivate people to irrational behavior. Even with this knowledge, however, I find it difficult to not hate evil people, especially when they murder innocent people.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:00 pm

Fnord wrote:
Hatred solves nothing, and can motivate people to irrational behavior. Even with this knowledge, however, I find it difficult to not hate evil people, especially when they murder innocent people.


hate to beg but can you vote? :)



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30 Jul 2011, 4:04 pm

IMO its not necessarily evil but it can be a wasted effort if we're...say...projecting hate on people where there's nothing we can do about it.

That said though I am a full determinist, I do agree with you that nothing (including identity) is inherently anyone's fault, but at the same time punishment and penalty are there for a deterrent and as a society shaper to redirect rather than necessarily get vengeance. That said if someone does an evil act and they get a lot of cold looks, cold shoulders, ignored, and treated somewhat like a non person - if what they did was evil, what needs to happen is happening. However, if the people involved are losing sleep over it or sitting there dwelling on it, damaging their arteries and adrenal glands with extra pressure - that's bad.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
IMO its not necessarily evil but it can be a wasted effort if we're...say...projecting hate on people where there's nothing we can do about it.

That said though I am a full determinist, I do agree with you that nothing (including identity) is inherently anyone's fault, but at the same time punishment and penalty are there for a deterrent and as a society shaper to redirect rather than necessarily get vengeance. That said if someone does an evil act and they get a lot of cold looks, cold shoulders, ignored, and treated somewhat like a non person - if what they did was evil, what needs to happen is happening. However, if the people involved are losing sleep over it or sitting there dwelling on it, damaging their arteries and adrenal glands with extra pressure - that's bad.


Yeah and hopefully they learn from the being treated bad. I don't think it's good to be cruel to bad people merely because they deserve it - only to teach them to be a better person.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:09 pm

The only thing I might add - if someone is that mangled psychologically or so malignantly high on themselves that they need to be either kept in jail for life or sent back to the universe sooner, so be it.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:09 pm

depends, i truly think there are evil people, how they became that way is what interests me.

to me any person that shows rampant disregard for human life loses any form of respect i have, if there is something one can critisize one should have the right to do so, especially in more extreme cases.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:12 pm

It is not wrong to hate but it is sort of lame.

Hating is a huge waste of energy that gives nothing to you in return.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:13 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Hatred solves nothing, and can motivate people to irrational behavior. Even with this knowledge, however, I find it difficult to not hate evil people, especially when they murder innocent people.

hate to beg but can you vote? :)

Yes. I have done so at every election and primary for the last 30-odd years. Why?


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30 Jul 2011, 4:14 pm

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depends, i truly think there are evil people, how they became that way is what interests me.

My main theory:
Something goes wrong in early development - like that baby who realizes that when they drop things off their high chair and mom/dad pick it up that they have power, and when their whole sense of self and understanding of reality realigns in such a way that this becomes their primary instrument and interest.

Some people might just have this proclivity more than others. Obviously if its combined with lots of violence in the household, abuse, delinquent or criminal adults, etc) the odds become significantly greater.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:15 pm

I am a believer of free will. as*holes are responsible for their own actions. Love and compassion are a mutual affair, so only those who give it receive it. I believe we are conflicted beings that have an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other, but some don't choose to keep the devil on their shoulder in check. Some are sociopaths that are incapable of this, but are certainly capable of self-restraint, og comprehending that their actions harm others, and should be held just as responsible. Most crooks do in fact have a conscience, but what allows them to shut it off temporarily or even rationalize in the first place is their pathological selfishness.

Should we hate them? That's up to you. Should I have to unconditionally love them? Hell no. If the fact that I can lose compassion for someone if they choose to act like a scumbag makes them feel insecure, so be it.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Hatred solves nothing, and can motivate people to irrational behavior. Even with this knowledge, however, I find it difficult to not hate evil people, especially when they murder innocent people.

hate to beg but can you vote? :)

Yes. I have done so at every election and primary for the last 30-odd years. Why?
I guess it was an invitation for you to vote in the poll.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:17 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Fnord wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Hatred solves nothing, and can motivate people to irrational behavior. Even with this knowledge, however, I find it difficult to not hate evil people, especially when they murder innocent people.

hate to beg but can you vote? :)

Yes. I have done so at every election and primary for the last 30-odd years. Why?
I guess it was an invitation for you to vote in the poll.

Oh, I thought she meant in real elections.

The poll does not include my opinion, nor does it include an "Other" option.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:27 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
It is not wrong to hate but it is sort of lame.

Hating is a huge waste of energy that gives nothing to you in return.

Hate (or rage, or whatever you want to call it) does serve a defensive purpose though. Someone who reacts with violent rage or hate towards bullies is less likely to continue being victimized. Evil people tend to victimize timid people who do not fight back. In most cases simply turning the other cheek simply DOES NOT WORK when dealing with truly despicable human beings.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:37 pm

marshall wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
It is not wrong to hate but it is sort of lame.

Hating is a huge waste of energy that gives nothing to you in return.

Hate (or rage, or whatever you want to call it) does serve a defensive purpose though. Someone who reacts with violent rage or hate towards bullies is less likely to continue being victimized. Evil people tend to victimize timid people who do not fight back. In most cases simply turning the other cheek simply DOES NOT WORK when dealing with truly despicable human beings.


With bullies, insulting them or telling them you're not afraid of them is just as likely to work as beating them half to death.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:42 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
marshall wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
It is not wrong to hate but it is sort of lame.

Hating is a huge waste of energy that gives nothing to you in return.

Hate (or rage, or whatever you want to call it) does serve a defensive purpose though. Someone who reacts with violent rage or hate towards bullies is less likely to continue being victimized. Evil people tend to victimize timid people who do not fight back. In most cases simply turning the other cheek simply DOES NOT WORK when dealing with truly despicable human beings.


With bullies, insulting them or telling them you're not afraid of them is just as likely to work as beating them half to death.


wrong

one meltdown can make the difference, problem is they now fear you.


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