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http://www.change.org/petitions/dont-se ... ic-schools

A.K.A why schools need freedom from religion and not only freedom of religion.

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I think that the school tried to be fair in making this sort of prayer area available but now it has gone too far. Imagine, young girls having to feel guilty because of a normal bodily function. I absolutely never told anyone at the age of 13 that I was having a period!Young girls feel ostracized enough without this garbage. This whole segregation mess is pandering to a few religio extremists. It is completely over the top.

Be Gone, paternalistic horsecrap.

Two things are wrong here. First there is religious use of facilities payed for by ALL tax payers, believers or not. Second, schools that are tax supported. All schools should be privately funded by those who use them.

ruveyn

So you're against the concept of public schools now? And what exactly are parents who can't afford the thousands of dollars in tuition fees supposed to do with their children, hmm?

Wow, I can't believe that's for real. Haven't they seen Carrie? I feel bad for those girls.

Do you believe in charity. I believe in charity. Voluntary charity.

Also you put too much faith in schools. Abraham Lincoln never made it to fourth grade. He learned how to read and write at home and just about everything he learned he learned from book and from talking to people.

I learned hardly any mathematics in public school. At age 13 (about 8 th grade) I taught myself calculus and analytic geometry. I didn't need no steeeenking schools. Everything I learned until I got to college I taught myself with the exception of chemistry. For that one needs a lab. From my sophmore year at college until I graduated I took graduate courses in math. That is when schooling paid off for me. And it was at a private university, thank you.

ruveyn

Charity is bull. but in this case the idea of charity is not really relevant. First we would have to establish the mechanism in which removing public schooling would do anything good for society.

Countries with the best education nowadays seem not to be based on that private school model. In fact, I tend to think that private school predominance may be correlated with the country being crap. But mostly because most people would avoid the sucky school system in those places.

It seems that before public schooling, we had the time of obscurantism. All that bunch of people that were not taught better didn't seem a benefit back then.

Nowadays, I don't think I remember any place in which that social experiment of the removal of the public school has ever happened. And the successes of places with public schools seem to make it not seem worth it as an experiment. So, unfortunately, the theory that private schools would be a philosopher's stone really has not been tested and probably will never be.

More so, I've seen religious nutty right to push for private-only schooling precisely because no tax funding would allow them to teach religion as truth rather than science, that sounds detrimental to society as a whole.

I belong to an elite in here, I went to private school and it is good to be able to do it. But it would be just dumb to kill public schooling. Right now I wish public schooling in here was much, much, much better. Because giving the poor free education is not charity. It is something that preemptively helps you avoid living in a place full of idiots.

Let me show you the graphic:

So, I really believe that the best for the elites is to make sure everyone receives the best education possible.

That's bizarre. First off, the Muslim students should handle their prayers on their own time, whether that's at lunch, on break, or whatever. Second, ceremonial uncleanliness was copied from the Jews, and it is intended to help ensure a healthy standard of sanitation, which is an odd thing for medieval Arabs to give a crap about. Considering that people in the western shower more than once every few months (or sometimes literally almost never in some places) and we don't resort wiping our asses only with one [bare] hand and eating only with the other as a way to avoid food poisoning, I think a handful of Muslims and their loony multiculturalist school administrators are way out of line. The hygiene standards we maintain now are far above and beyond anything Mohammed could have dreamed of.

Well, not everyone is quite as Aspie as we are.

I'm failing to see why the uproar. If it's about the use of school for a prayer space, the school can simply say no to using the cafeteria, and the students find another place to pray in private. The other issue people seem to be having is the segregation of menstruating girls. If they knew anything about Islam, they would know that a menstruating girl is excused from prayer, and must be separated from the other girls who are praying because the proper cleaning rituals (called wudu) have not been performed. I hope I've explained this well, but if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Oops. Did you mean "... no steeeenking skules"?!

Back in Lincoln's day, many peeple jus' speld tings lyk day soundud.

Actually not. That was true back in the day of Samuel Johnson.

By the way the line I deployed was based on a quip in -The Treasure of Sierra Madre-. Badges? We don't need no steeenking badges.

ruveyn

That's a misquote. Trust me, I'm a movie buff too. It's one of those common abbreviated misquotes that enter the public consciousness and then most people assume that it's correct. Like "Luke, I am your father." The actual line was "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!" The abridged version you quoted was coined for Blazing Saddles.

Okay, what is wudu? A form of voodoo? But where they clean their vajayjays?

Children used to do a lot of the work in factories, mines, and farms. They still do in many parts of the world.

In many of the world's cities, children fend for themselves, and support themselves largely through petty theft, drug trafficking, and prostitution.

One of the first things that the USA instituted in the Philippines (after murdering hundreds of thousands of people there) was free public education. Free public education, and universal literacy, are common to the entire civilized world.

Certainly the USA has enough wealth to be able to afford public schools for all children, and to leave it to adults not only to work in factories, mines, and farms, but also to perform the drug trafficking and prostitution.

Ah. Please pardon my lack of knowledge there!