Does Saving Starving People Cause More Pain?

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04 Aug 2011, 8:56 pm

I watched videos about all those people who are undergoing a famine in Somalia. In an area that is so historically arid, I don't understand how so many people could have survived. When I saw aid workers distribute food to these people and a disturbing thought came to me. Many of these people have seven to eight children. Feeding them all so they will survive will only cause a larger growth in population for the future. So when another famine comes along later, even more people will starve than in the first place. The suffering might increase long term even though we stopped it short term. At the time of another famine, we ourselves might not have the resources to help.

Would it be wrong to pass out condoms and contraception alongside the food?

I am not saying we shouldn't be feeding starving people. I am a big humanitarian., and I think it is necessary to stop unrest from spreading to more affluent countries. What I am saying is if we do help them out should we be doing more to ensure it doesn't happen again?



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04 Aug 2011, 9:29 pm

Depends how you save them. Is foreign food aid also bankrupting any local farmers that might exist?



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04 Aug 2011, 9:53 pm

They may have a lot of kids, but maybe 2 or 3 at most will live to have kids of their own. Most will die of disease and some preventable causes if they had medial care, but Somalia also has one of the highest unnatural death rates in the world as well. Pesonally I don't think the US should aid the UN or intervene in the famine in Somalia, or in the famine anywhere else unless it is needed to prevent militant Islam from gaining popularity.


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04 Aug 2011, 10:03 pm

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They may have a lot of kids, but maybe 2 or 3 at most will live to have kids of their own. Most will die of disease and some preventable causes if they had medial care, but Somalia also has one of the highest unnatural death rates in the world as well. Pesonally I don't think the US should aid the UN or intervene in the famine in Somalia, or in the famine anywhere else unless it is needed to prevent militant Islam from gaining popularity.

The UN is pretty much the last century's version of the royal court of Versailles - keeping friends close and enemies closer.

I'd agree with blau's statement - if they aren't helping the farmers to grow food rather than just handing out they aren't doing very well. On the flip side if the warlords are actively sabotaging and keeping these people in starvation, if we're putting efforts in to help them and are having those efforts reasonable thwarted, might not be a bad idea to feed, fund, arm, and train some of the locals who really want to throw these guys out.


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04 Aug 2011, 11:18 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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They may have a lot of kids, but maybe 2 or 3 at most will live to have kids of their own. Most will die of disease and some preventable causes if they had medial care, but Somalia also has one of the highest unnatural death rates in the world as well. Pesonally I don't think the US should aid the UN or intervene in the famine in Somalia, or in the famine anywhere else unless it is needed to prevent militant Islam from gaining popularity.

The UN is pretty much the last century's version of the royal court of Versailles - keeping friends close and enemies closer.

I'd agree with blau's statement - if they aren't helping the farmers to grow food rather than just handing out they aren't doing very well. On the flip side if the warlords are actively sabotaging and keeping these people in starvation, if we're putting efforts in to help them and are having those efforts reasonable thwarted, might not be a bad idea to feed, fund, arm, and train some of the locals who really want to throw these guys out.


I don't know, that's how we ended up with Osama bin Laden.



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04 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm

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I don't know, that's how we ended up with Osama bin Laden.

Lol, Charley Wilson's war - we accomplished great things, and then we f'd the endgame.

I think its knowing who we're offering our assistance to. If a place is that dodgy that there's no one else aside from ideological enemies then we're better off taking a different route.


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04 Aug 2011, 11:36 pm

techn0teen wrote:
I watched videos about all those people who are undergoing a famine in Somalia. In an area that is so historically arid, I don't understand how so many people could have survived. When I saw aid workers distribute food to these people and a disturbing thought came to me. Many of these people have seven to eight children. Feeding them all so they will survive will only cause a larger growth in population for the future. So when another famine comes along later, even more people will starve than in the first place. The suffering might increase long term even though we stopped it short term. At the time of another famine, we ourselves might not have the resources to help.

Would it be wrong to pass out condoms and contraception alongside the food?

I am not saying we shouldn't be feeding starving people. I am a big humanitarian., and I think it is necessary to stop unrest from spreading to more affluent countries. What I am saying is if we do help them out should we be doing more to ensure it doesn't happen again?

You have pinpointed why I'm against just handing out food aid. We should be helping areas grow their own food, not just helping them grow more children who may be starved in turn.

I think handing out the contraception is actually more important than handing out the food.



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04 Aug 2011, 11:37 pm

No,

But "saving" them does not mean giving food away and flooding their markets with it.


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05 Aug 2011, 1:59 am

If you asked the people of Somalia, I'm sure they'd tell you that feeding them certainly isn't causing more pain.

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05 Aug 2011, 8:20 am

The rest of the world has been trying to feed Africa for longer than I've been alive.
I think it's time to evacuate Africa instead.
Operation "Out Of Africa". :D



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05 Aug 2011, 9:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
If you asked the people of Somalia, I'm sure they'd tell you that feeding them certainly isn't causing more pain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Life you save topic

Political corruption prevents much of food aid from reaching the needy. This has happened in Haiti, as well.

Starving people rarely initiate regime reform. Give them food and shelter and there is your basis for government change, for starters.


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05 Aug 2011, 1:32 pm

There's another side to this though. A lot of the foreign aide money doesn't go to starving people but to multi-national corporations who "develop" the land there. This often entails disturbing the way of life of indigenous people by forcing them off lands they've lived on for thousands of years, imposing monoculture on them, flooding valleys that people live in, monopolizing basic resources, and giving them no other option but to work as wage slaves that are dependent on imported goods. The industrial farming operations often times use up the land till all the top soil is depleted, then they leave. Then the local populations are left with less arable land than they had before, which they end up fighting tribal wars over.

These Humanitarian organizations will donate grain to starving people to look good in front of the cameras and to salve the consciences of bourgeois liberals, but it really doesn't do anything. The problem is really with neo-colonialism and globalization.



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06 Aug 2011, 7:13 am

techn0teen wrote:
I watched videos about all those people who are undergoing a famine in Somalia. In an area that is so historically arid, I don't understand how so many people could have survived. When I saw aid workers distribute food to these people and a disturbing thought came to me. Many of these people have seven to eight children. Feeding them all so they will survive will only cause a larger growth in population for the future. So when another famine comes along later, even more people will starve than in the first place. The suffering might increase long term even though we stopped it short term. At the time of another famine, we ourselves might not have the resources to help.

Would it be wrong to pass out condoms and contraception alongside the food?

I am not saying we shouldn't be feeding starving people. I am a big humanitarian., and I think it is necessary to stop unrest from spreading to more affluent countries. What I am saying is if we do help them out should we be doing more to ensure it doesn't happen again?


No, I think giving out condoms would be a very smart idea.


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06 Aug 2011, 8:06 am

the original poster is 100% correct.

though letting the first generation of poor people die out is not a palatable idea, even though it results in less poverty than the alternative.



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06 Aug 2011, 2:36 pm

psychohist wrote:
techn0teen wrote:
I watched videos about all those people who are undergoing a famine in Somalia. In an area that is so historically arid, I don't understand how so many people could have survived. When I saw aid workers distribute food to these people and a disturbing thought came to me. Many of these people have seven to eight children. Feeding them all so they will survive will only cause a larger growth in population for the future. So when another famine comes along later, even more people will starve than in the first place. The suffering might increase long term even though we stopped it short term. At the time of another famine, we ourselves might not have the resources to help.

Would it be wrong to pass out condoms and contraception alongside the food?

I am not saying we shouldn't be feeding starving people. I am a big humanitarian., and I think it is necessary to stop unrest from spreading to more affluent countries. What I am saying is if we do help them out should we be doing more to ensure it doesn't happen again?

You have pinpointed why I'm against just handing out food aid. We should be helping areas grow their own food, not just helping them grow more children who may be starved in turn.

I think handing out the contraception is actually more important than handing out th
e food.


Agree with selected text above.



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06 Aug 2011, 2:48 pm

nichiren wrote:
psychohist wrote:
techn0teen wrote:
I watched videos about all those people who are undergoing a famine in Somalia. In an area that is so historically arid, I don't understand how so many people could have survived. When I saw aid workers distribute food to these people and a disturbing thought came to me. Many of these people have seven to eight children. Feeding them all so they will survive will only cause a larger growth in population for the future. So when another famine comes along later, even more people will starve than in the first place. The suffering might increase long term even though we stopped it short term. At the time of another famine, we ourselves might not have the resources to help.

Would it be wrong to pass out condoms and contraception alongside the food?

I am not saying we shouldn't be feeding starving people. I am a big humanitarian., and I think it is necessary to stop unrest from spreading to more affluent countries. What I am saying is if we do help them out should we be doing more to ensure it doesn't happen again?

You have pinpointed why I'm against just handing out food aid. We should be helping areas grow their own food, not just helping them grow more children who may be starved in turn.

I think handing out the contraception is actually more important than handing out th
e food.


Agree with selected text above.


Me too! Having more children in that situation is insane...


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