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17 Dec 2013, 10:03 pm

Everyday theres a shooting on the news or cnn or what ever. beit a school shooting, or in hospital. what are americans shooting each other for? are they trying to prove somthing or are they just gun ho crazy? seriosuly in Canada we only use are guns for hunting and substnince. crazy.



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17 Dec 2013, 10:06 pm

Supposedly the number of shootings hasn't changed much in recent times, the media coverage has just increased. But as to the question, there are a lot of crazy people in this world, and unfortunately some of those crazy people have access to firearms.



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17 Dec 2013, 10:21 pm

You have a big enough population, and you'll have lots of things to report. Replace every firearm in the US with a sword, and you'll have lots of "slashing attacks"; the only thing that changes are the small variables.

Don't fall into the media frenzy trap (which goes with the emotional fear trap too).

Best to look at overall murder rate to determine if a place is safer than another. But even then, does 5 murders per 100,000 mean you're five times safer than a place with 1 murder per 100,000? Hard to determine such.

(Not to mention that the murder rate has been dropping in the US and similar Western countries. You wouldn't think it was..., but that's the media.)



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17 Dec 2013, 10:23 pm

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Supposedly the number of shootings hasn't changed much in recent times, the media coverage has just increased. But as to the question, there are a lot of crazy people in this world, and unfortunately some of those crazy people have access to firearms.


Because non-crazy people never shoot people :roll:


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17 Dec 2013, 10:29 pm

The major corporate media outlets have already made up their opinions on gun control, so to support their opinions they place more focus on stories about shootings. Not long ago, local news stayed local. Now it is so much easier to scan every little news happening anywhere and put whatever spin on things the news channel wants. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore.


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17 Dec 2013, 11:28 pm

Does this mean that the shooting has stopped in Syria? How about Libya? Ulster? Mexico? Nigeria?

No, it means that some hypocritical people hate America so much for being the best country in the world (and themselves for not being Americans) that they will ignore the wars and massacres in their own countries long enough to point their fingers at America every time some nutcase in the U.S. decides to open fire on a group of innocents.



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17 Dec 2013, 11:45 pm

I didn't realize there were a lot of wars and massacres going on in Canada....either way 'best country in the world' is subjective.


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18 Dec 2013, 12:25 am

There are plenty of shootings here in Canada also, just look at Toronto's news. Our population is much smaller(about the same is the state of California) so that helps reduce the numbers of shootings that end up in the news.



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18 Dec 2013, 12:36 am

The USA is a f**kup.

What other modern countries, with western idologies, and such massive wealth, still practice the death penalty, don't have a proper healthcare system, don't have a state welfare system, don't have proper gun control, and still continue to spy on their citizens, against their wishes, and could possibly declared constitutional?

Essentially, the USA is a country, that prides itself on being a modern 21st century, although the reality, is that although it may look like it on first glance, but the dudes running the joint, still think like they are in the 18th century.

As long, as the mindset, of those in power doesn't change, I can't see the USA improving anytime soon. People need to wake up, and move away from the traditional Democrat/Rebublican governments, and get some other guys in.


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18 Dec 2013, 12:45 am

Yayyyyy!! !
It's hate on the USA time!! !!


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18 Dec 2013, 12:50 am

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There are plenty of shootings here in Canada also, just look at Toronto's news. Our population is much smaller(about the same is the state of California) so that helps reduce the numbers of shootings that end up in the news.


I wonder if there is any country where there haven't been any shootings or simular killings by other means.


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18 Dec 2013, 12:55 am

Paul92 wrote:
The USA is a f****.

What other modern countries, with western idologies, and such massive wealth, still practice the death penalty, don't have a proper healthcare system, don't have a state welfare system, don't have proper gun control, and still continue to spy on their citizens, against their wishes, and could possibly declared constitutional?

Essentially, the USA is a country, that prides itself on being a modern 21st century, although the reality, is that although it may look like it on first glance, but the dudes running the joint, still think like they are in the 18th century.

As long, as the mindset, of those in power doesn't change, I can't see the USA improving anytime soon. People need to wake up, and move away from the traditional Democrat/Rebublican governments, and get some other guys in.


While I agree there are a lot of major problems here, we do have a welfare system...though it could be improved. And how do you define proper gun control exactly?


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18 Dec 2013, 1:33 am

seriously why do you need your guns for cause it goes back to ur right to bear arms to defend against the tyrancial britsh. you got your independence. now you just abuse that right shoot on site if someone walks on your lawn or what ever. highest murder capita by firearms in the world. seriosuly put down your guns and pick up your reefer joints no more killin.



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18 Dec 2013, 1:57 am

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seriously why do you need your guns for cause it goes back to ur right to bear arms to defend against the tyrancial britsh. you got your independence. now you just abuse that right shoot on site if someone walks on your lawn or what ever. highest murder capita by firearms in the world. seriosuly put down your guns and pick up your reefer joints no more killin.


If I had my own property and a gun I wouldn't shoot someone for walking on my lawn, and I doubt most people would. I suppose I just don't see how banning anyone from owning a gun is going to solve the problem of people killing each other. Though I personally am more into reefer joints than guns.


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18 Dec 2013, 2:23 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Paul92 wrote:
The USA is a f****.

What other modern countries, with western idologies, and such massive wealth, still practice the death penalty, don't have a proper healthcare system, don't have a state welfare system, don't have proper gun control, and still continue to spy on their citizens, against their wishes, and could possibly declared constitutional?

Essentially, the USA is a country, that prides itself on being a modern 21st century, although the reality, is that although it may look like it on first glance, but the dudes running the joint, still think like they are in the 18th century.

As long, as the mindset, of those in power doesn't change, I can't see the USA improving anytime soon. People need to wake up, and move away from the traditional Democrat/Rebublican governments, and get some other guys in.


While I agree there are a lot of major problems here, we do have a welfare system...though it could be improved. And how do you define proper gun control exactly?


Welfare system in the USA, is second to none, compaired to other developed nations.
While there is, to some degree a welfare system in the US, it's not easy to access it's resources!

in NZ, we don't need full on court cases, and attorneys, just to get disability funding. You just go to the local governent agency in your area, and they will set you up with a disability grant, usually with just one, or two appointments at the most.
Also, if the walfare system in the US, so significant, then why do they still have scores of homeless people floating about?

Regarding gun control, within the USA, it's easy to order just about any gun under the sun, and ammunition over the internet, usually no checks needed/carried out.
Anywhere else, including NZ, you can not get a gun, or even some air rifles without providing strict documentation, and anybody selling guns, the same way as in the USA, will get arrested, and locked up. Here, you can get guns online, but it's so strict, and regulated, nobody bothers.


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