White discrimination against other Whites ?

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mikecartwright
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23 Oct 2011, 10:57 am

I know that it is a fact that discrimination against Non Whites causes Blacks Native Americans and others to live in poverty but everytime I bring this up a Right Winger will say well the Irish faced discrimination too or the Jews or the Slavs were enslaved at one time in history but this is White on White crime right the Irish were later accepted as part of the White Race by the Anglo Saxons is there any fact that I can give to show as to why discrimination by Whites against Non Whites is worse than discrimination by Whites against other Whites ? Does Tim Wise say anything about this subject ? I know White Privilege exist among the Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege



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23 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

mikecartwright wrote:
I know that it is a fact that discrimination against Non Whites causes Blacks Native Americans and others to live in poverty but everytime I bring this up a Right Winger will say well the Irish faced discrimination too or the Jews or the Slavs were enslaved at one time in history but this is White on White crime right the Irish were later accepted as part of the White Race by the Anglo Saxons is there any fact that I can give to show as to why discrimination by Whites against Non Whites is worse than discrimination by Whites against other Whites ? Does Tim Wise say anything about this subject ? I know White Privilege exist among the Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege


we deserve it. bloody crackers.


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23 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

What you need to speak about is white supremacy as a permanent organizing structure in the society. Discrimination is simply an enforcer to maintain white supremacy. So yes, it is used to keep both people of color and white people aware of the social hierarchy. So white supremacy created whiteness and accepted the Irish because the new white identity group needed a labor class.



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23 Oct 2011, 11:44 am

Huldah wrote:
What you need to speak about is white supremacy as a permanent organizing structure in the society. Discrimination is simply an enforcer to maintain white supremacy. So yes, it is used to keep both people of color and white people aware of the social hierarchy. So white supremacy created whiteness and accepted the Irish because the new white identity group needed a labor class.
Exactly. Thank you for saving me time in typing.


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23 Oct 2011, 11:59 am

The fun part is that a culture can be racist, xenophobic and Class-ist without breaking a sweat.
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23 Oct 2011, 2:15 pm

I am white and I discriminate against white people all the time their isn't a racist term for us :lol:



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24 Oct 2011, 7:32 am

Discrimination has its heart in economics.

Poor white resent other "minorities" because try and get legal protection against discrimination as a white person. It doesn't exist. Maybe it's because you are Irish, or Italian, or Polish, or Catholic, etc. In truth, it is because you are not part of the economic elite in your area. If you can make a case on the basis of religion or ethnicity, you MIGHT have a chance of getting EOE laws to help you out, but the general mentality is that white people don't discriminate against other whites...even though it happens all the time.



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24 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

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I am white and I discriminate against white people all the time their isn't a racist term for us :lol:


How about "perverse"?

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24 Oct 2011, 10:27 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Discrimination has its heart in economics ...

Yes, and then it spills over into politics and religion where racism next/also enters the picture.


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24 Oct 2011, 10:58 am

I discriminate against whites whenever I buy something made in Asia, have a meal at a local Ethiopian restaurant, or listen to Bob Marley music. It is discriminatory to favor one ethnic group over another, right?


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24 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm

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I discriminate against whites whenever I buy something made in Asia, have a meal at a local Ethiopian restaurant, or listen to Bob Marley music. It is discriminatory to favor one ethnic group over another, right?


not at all. unless you specifically buy asian made goods only on the basis they are made in asia, eat ethiopian food only for the reason that the cuisine originated in ethiopia, and listen to bob marley for no other reason than his being black.

i find it highly unlikely that you base decisions on such criteria.


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24 Oct 2011, 2:16 pm

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I discriminate against whites whenever I buy something made in Asia, have a meal at a local Ethiopian restaurant, or listen to Bob Marley music. It is discriminatory to favor one ethnic group over another, right?
not at all. unless you specifically buy asian made goods only on the basis they are made in asia, eat ethiopian food only for the reason that the cuisine originated in ethiopia, and listen to bob marley for no other reason than his being black. i find it highly unlikely that you base decisions on such criteria.

I buy goods based on their superior effectiveness, efficiency, and economy. Most of those goods just happen to be made in Asia.

I eat Ethiopian food because I like the flavor.

I listen to Bob Marley because I like the lyrics, the rhythm, and the melodies.


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24 Oct 2011, 3:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am white and I discriminate against white people all the time their isn't a racist term for us :lol:


How about "perverse"?

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Anyone can be "perverse".



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24 Oct 2011, 3:14 pm

If there is one thing I hate more than racism, its white people :P :lol: just kidding


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25 Oct 2011, 12:35 am

Today, class discrimination is the primary cause of white on white discrimination. But I have read plenty of accounts written by transplanted northerners living in the south, where a collective memory of the Civil war, and of the "Yankee invader" is still alive in well in the locals' minds, and they don't let said northerners forget it.

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25 Oct 2011, 12:48 am

I deal with white on white discrimination on a fairly regular basis, as an Anglo Quebecer. This is based on language, despite the fact that I can speak French well enough, not having a French first and last name doesn't work in my favor in a lot of situations...


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