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What poses a bigger threat to us?
Our own global elite 88%  88%  [ 22 ]
Radical Islam 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
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01 Dec 2011, 8:32 pm

Explain why.



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01 Dec 2011, 8:38 pm

Overpopulation.

Mismanagement of natural resources.

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01 Dec 2011, 8:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Overpopulation. Mismanagement of natural resources.

+ religion and other superstitious nonsense.


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03 Dec 2011, 10:02 am

Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Overpopulation. Mismanagement of natural resources.

+ religion and other superstitious nonsense.


Superstitious nonsense? Belief that the government can cure what ails us is superstitious nonsense.

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03 Dec 2011, 10:08 am

We have lots of utopian ideologies floating around, some with more impact than others. I think anyone who wants to hide, manipulate, or even hijack or destroy history for the sake of changing us, anyone who has an 'ends justify the means' approach and would even believe that lying to the public is worth what they believe will be a wonderful result - these people are what we have to worry about. If anything I'd have to say the Islamists are possibly less of a threat because they're in plain sight and make little more than a half-fast effort to hide what they are from time to time, the others I can't say the same of.


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03 Dec 2011, 10:09 am

ruveyn wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Overpopulation. Mismanagement of natural resources.

+ religion and other superstitious nonsense.


Superstitious nonsense? Belief that the government can cure what ails us is superstitious nonsense.

ruveyn


So is belief that an invisible sky wizard can cure what ails us.



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03 Dec 2011, 10:12 am

Also I have read Robert Spencer's Stealth Jihad. I wouldn't deny that what he's citing is happening but still I think the success of that has a much earlier tolerance threshold than they're hoping for.


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03 Dec 2011, 10:12 am

blauSamstag wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Overpopulation. Mismanagement of natural resources.

+ religion and other superstitious nonsense.


Superstitious nonsense? Belief that the government can cure what ails us is superstitious nonsense.

ruveyn


So is belief that an invisible sky wizard can cure what ails us.


Indeed.

God answers the prayers of those who have already answered their own prayers.

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03 Dec 2011, 10:20 am

ruveyn wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Overpopulation. Mismanagement of natural resources.

+ religion and other superstitious nonsense.


Superstitious nonsense? Belief that the government can cure what ails us is superstitious nonsense.

ruveyn


So is belief that an invisible sky wizard can cure what ails us.


Indeed.

God answers the prayers of those who have already answered their own prayers.

ruveyn


for once i feel it prudent to labelruveyns words as "salad"

though i agree completely that overpopulation and bad management will be our undoing.


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03 Dec 2011, 10:23 am

What is a bigger threat to Western civilization? It always has and will always be ourselves. :p



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03 Dec 2011, 10:24 am

Oodain wrote:

for once i feel it prudent to labelruveyns words as "salad"

though i agree completely that overpopulation and bad management will be our undoing.


The point is that God and His Angels can be completely dispensed with. Is that "salad"?

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03 Dec 2011, 10:28 am

Angel feather salad. Yum.



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03 Dec 2011, 11:04 am

ruveyn wrote:
Oodain wrote:

for once i feel it prudent to labelruveyns words as "salad"

though i agree completely that overpopulation and bad management will be our undoing.


The point is that God and His Angels can be completely dispensed with. Is that "salad"?

ruveyn


no not at all,
i dont know why i took it as ambigous.


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03 Dec 2011, 11:28 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I wouldn't deny that what he's citing is happening but still I think the success of that has a much earlier tolerance threshold than they're hoping for.


"Earlier"? Doesn't make sense.

Do you mean to say that Western populations won't tolerate anywhere near as much as the stealth jihadists think?



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03 Dec 2011, 3:30 pm

At the moment I would say it is our current game of capitalism that is the biggest threat. How far can it go? Will corporations go on getting bigger and more powerful? I think they will try and where will it lead to? What is the goal of it?

We are in desperate need for someone to step in and say "enough", we need to agree on the rules of the game and set up a global or at least western monitor to make sure private corporations including banks (especially banks) play by ethical rules.



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03 Dec 2011, 3:56 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
At the moment I would say it is our current game of capitalism that is the biggest threat. How far can it go? Will corporations go on getting bigger and more powerful? I think they will try and where will it lead to? What is the goal of it?



It was the market aspects, the capitalistic aspects of our economy that put your computer in front of your face at a price you could afford to pay.

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