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19 Dec 2011, 6:01 pm

Take a look at this and then, possibly, ask how much you've bought that's been made in China lately. I'm probably as guilty as anyone else but wow..... after reading this I may be checking labels a bit closer. 8O

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/11 ... a-20111211


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19 Dec 2011, 7:28 pm

I don't buy foreign products unless there's no domestic alternative. If more Americans did the same it would have a significant positive effect upon our economy; which is much more than can be said for beating drums, waving signs, and whining about the "rich."



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19 Dec 2011, 7:31 pm

Did you look at the article itself though? There's even more to it than that here.


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19 Dec 2011, 7:38 pm

Looks like it is only available in Los Angeles at present

http://app.codaautomotive.com/PathToPurchase

Once China gets serious about producing autos, it will be the end of the US auto industry.



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19 Dec 2011, 7:43 pm

On one side it would suck for us to lose our automotive industry, on the other - the auto war we had with Japan is a completely different case in that Japan was just ripping us off, China is not only ripping us off but funding not only most of the world security threats with that money but also growing its army that's been behaving more and more bullish with as of late - and then we want to let them in to set up factories in the US. We must be crazy.


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19 Dec 2011, 7:56 pm

We've largely lost our auto industry already, aside from foreign auto makers recognizing the southeast as being like the third world but closer.



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19 Dec 2011, 8:55 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Did you look at the article itself though? There's even more to it than that here.

I read it. It was interesting, but not particularly surprising to me. I've always more or less considered China a hostile nation.



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19 Dec 2011, 9:21 pm

pandabear wrote:
Looks like it is only available in Los Angeles at present

http://app.codaautomotive.com/PathToPurchase

Once China gets serious about producing autos, it will be the end of the US auto industry.


Probably true, unless American get serious about making a really useful electric auto.

That means solving the storage battery problem. Storage batteries are too heavy for the quantity of energy they store.

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19 Dec 2011, 9:25 pm

dmm1010 wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Did you look at the article itself though? There's even more to it than that here.

I read it. It was interesting, but not particularly surprising to me. I've always more or less considered China a hostile nation.

Initially I think the idea was solving communism by stuffing McDonald's burgers under the great wall. Now, unfortunately though, it seems like the state is really getting into growing the army. Suppose its as good a time as any to start putting some currency demands on them.


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19 Dec 2011, 9:59 pm

Anyone who spreads fear of the Coda cannot be a friend of capitalism. Capitalism thrives on competition, and what the haters are saying is that America can only win if we give ourselves uncompetitive advantages that would never exist in a truly free market.

Greg Autry and Peter Navarro wrote:
...[The Coda's] entire chassis and battery system and most of the metal (apparently 65% of the car) come from China's factory floors, which are not known for their high labor standards.

In a truly free market, labor standards would be determined by the free market rather than by legislative fiat anyway. Chinese labor has shown that it hungers for these manufacturing jobs more than American labor, which has grown lazy and entitled. A truly competitive American labor market would be willing to make the same sacrifices its Chinese counterpart already has: namely, lowering its squeamish limits on exposure to carcinogens, risk of loss to life and limb, and hours worked. China is willing to clog its cities' skies with smog to be competitive; America should be willing to do the same if it believes in capitalism. American workers should stop whining to their labor unions and bloated nanny state.
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Taxpayers should be outraged because the Coda is eligible for the combined federal and state tax rebates on electric vehicles of $10,000 a vehicle....

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I am outraged—but because subsidies and tariffs are tools of a protectionist nanny state rather than a truly free market.
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This state-owned enterprise supplies China's aggressively expanding military....

Yes, and haven't many red-blooded American corporations supplied technologies to support the "Great Firewall of China"? Clearly, Chinese authoritarianism is simply a lucrative tit from which to suckle.
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Finally, another Coda enterprise adds insult to injury: a planned Ohio battery factory to be built with more than half a billion in U.S. taxpayer stimulus bucks, including an Energy Department loan and incentives from the state of Ohio and the city of Columbus. Great, except that a Chinese-dominated joint venture with Tianjin Lishen Battery will really own it. That's an enormously expensive way to create "up to" 1,000 jobs, with potential millions in profits shipped back to China.

When you let the state determine the winners and losers, you've already lost. Lesson learned: Let the free market decide.



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19 Dec 2011, 10:33 pm

Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.



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19 Dec 2011, 10:49 pm

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Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.

That China is out-competing America may not be a problem for the world, but it's certainly a problem for America.



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19 Dec 2011, 11:37 pm

dmm1010 wrote:
fraac wrote:
Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.

That China is out-competing America may not be a problem for the world, but it's certainly a problem for America.


I'm mostly upset that china is being paid by my own countrymen to out-compete america.



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19 Dec 2011, 11:48 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
dmm1010 wrote:
fraac wrote:
Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.

That China is out-competing America may not be a problem for the world, but it's certainly a problem for America.


I'm mostly upset that china is being paid by my own countrymen to out-compete america.

To be the next big military threat to the west really.


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19 Dec 2011, 11:49 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
dmm1010 wrote:
fraac wrote:
Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.

That China is out-competing America may not be a problem for the world, but it's certainly a problem for America.


I'm mostly upset that china is being paid by my own countrymen to out-compete america.

To be the next big military threat to the west really.


Nonsense. We buy their crap. Aside from that, how will they ever get paid back the money we owe them?



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20 Dec 2011, 12:11 am

blauSamstag wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
dmm1010 wrote:
fraac wrote:
Don't understand nationalism. Problem with China is human rights abuses, not that they're outcompeting Americans.

That China is out-competing America may not be a problem for the world, but it's certainly a problem for America.


I'm mostly upset that china is being paid by my own countrymen to out-compete america.

To be the next big military threat to the west really.


Nonsense. We buy their crap. Aside from that, how will they ever get paid back the money we owe them?

I'm talking about a different variety of sh&*storm first and foremost:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... ry-tension


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