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Republican rivals criticize his anti-war, isolationist approach to foreign policy as dangerously naive, and object to his plans to slash the Pentagon's budget and pull back U.S. troops from overseas.
Non-partisan analysts say his economic proposals - drastic spending cuts, elimination of the Federal Reserve and a return to the gold standard - would plunge the country back into recession.
"Paul appeals to people whose knowledge of major issues is superficial (and) he sees conspiracies where there are none," said Greg Valliere, chief political strategist at Potomac Research Group, an analysis firm. "If he does well in Iowa, which is likely, it will be an enormous embarrassment to the Republicans."
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Some potential supporters from the left have been put off by Paul's uncompromising support for the free market.
At a campaign stop in this small city of about 7,000, Paul told breast cancer survivor Danielle Lin that insurance companies should not be required to offer coverage to people who are already sick.
"It's sort of like me living on the Gulf Coast, not buying insurance until I see the hurricane," said Paul, whose Galveston-based district was devastated by a hurricane in 2008. "Insurance is supposed to measure risk."
The response left Lin in tears. While her insurance covered her treatment, she said, several of her friends were not so fortunate.
"I watched three friends die because they didn't have insurance," said Lin, a registered Democrat who is looking for a Republican candidate to support this time.
"Nobody can afford private insurance, nobody can. And they're dead."
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[Paul] draws parallels between the current situation in the United States and that of the former Soviet Union, whose economy collapsed amid the union's breakup and civil unrest in 1991.
Paul acknowledges that his proposal to avoid that outcome - an immediate, $1 trillion spending cut that would slash the federal budget by more than one-third and eliminate the departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development - could have some unpleasant side effects.
"I'm afraid of violence coming," he told a crowd of more than 600 in Bettendorf, Iowa. "When you see what the government is preparing for, and the arrests and military law, and the demonstrations in the streets, some people aren't going to be convinced so easily that you don't owe them a living."
Non-partisan analysts say his economic proposals - drastic spending cuts, elimination of the Federal Reserve and a return to the gold standard - would plunge the country back into recession.
"Paul appeals to people whose knowledge of major issues is superficial (and) he sees conspiracies where there are none," said Greg Valliere, chief political strategist at Potomac Research Group, an analysis firm. "If he does well in Iowa, which is likely, it will be an enormous embarrassment to the Republicans."
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Some potential supporters from the left have been put off by Paul's uncompromising support for the free market.
At a campaign stop in this small city of about 7,000, Paul told breast cancer survivor Danielle Lin that insurance companies should not be required to offer coverage to people who are already sick.
"It's sort of like me living on the Gulf Coast, not buying insurance until I see the hurricane," said Paul, whose Galveston-based district was devastated by a hurricane in 2008. "Insurance is supposed to measure risk."
The response left Lin in tears. While her insurance covered her treatment, she said, several of her friends were not so fortunate.
"I watched three friends die because they didn't have insurance," said Lin, a registered Democrat who is looking for a Republican candidate to support this time.
"Nobody can afford private insurance, nobody can. And they're dead."
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[Paul] draws parallels between the current situation in the United States and that of the former Soviet Union, whose economy collapsed amid the union's breakup and civil unrest in 1991.
Paul acknowledges that his proposal to avoid that outcome - an immediate, $1 trillion spending cut that would slash the federal budget by more than one-third and eliminate the departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development - could have some unpleasant side effects.
"I'm afraid of violence coming," he told a crowd of more than 600 in Bettendorf, Iowa. "When you see what the government is preparing for, and the arrests and military law, and the demonstrations in the streets, some people aren't going to be convinced so easily that you don't owe them a living."
Yeah... I was gonna sneak into Canada as soon as I finished school. If Paul gets elected, I'll be sneaking north a damn sight sooner--especially since I won't get to finish school.
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26 Dec 2011, 6:59 pm
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That's not much a conspiracy theory when that's actually what a lot people want to combat this economic downtown. What do you think people mean when they want a new global economic authority? If you have any doubts about the serious threat posed to our sovereignty just look at what the EU is doing to Greece.
Yeah, well the EU is learning that they cannot be economically united and politically separate.
All of the EU countries are going to be forced to give up sovereignty to save the Euro...
That's not really applicable to the US.
Also, I'd like to point out, look at what the EU isn't doing to the UK. Nobody's going to be FORCED to give up their sovereignty.
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As for the gold standard, while Ron prefers a gold based currency he does not want to impose a gold standard. What he wants to do is repeal legal tender laws and legalize private mints to create competing currencies and allow the market to decide which one they have the most confidence in.
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. My days of not taking Ron Paul's economics seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
26 Dec 2011, 7:19 pm
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26 Dec 2011, 8:14 pm
Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
That's not much a conspiracy theory when that's actually what a lot people want to combat this economic downtown. What do you think people mean when they want a new global economic authority? If you have any doubts about the serious threat posed to our sovereignty just look at what the EU is doing to Greece.
Yeah, well the EU is learning that they cannot be economically united and politically separate.
All of the EU countries are going to be forced to give up sovereignty to save the Euro...
That's not really applicable to the US.
Also, I'd like to point out, look at what the EU isn't doing to the UK. Nobody's going to be FORCED to give up their sovereignty.
The US has been heavily involved in bailing Europe out via the IMF and Federal Reserve. You do understand that sovereignty is being taken away in Europe, that is the model a lot of the world government supporters want to follow when they talk about a global economic authority. I don't think it's a ridiculous thing to sound the alarm about, 1/3rd of our government is unfunded so we either adding that money or borrowing it from somewhere. The people we owe money to are going to want some say on how we spend our money, I think even the social democrats out there should be worried about this.
The people we owe money to are the people who bought US Treasury Bonds and the ONLY thing they want is to be able to cash in when the time comes...
Sure we need to get our spending under control, but reality is, as long as the US is the strongest military/economic power on earth the US currency is the world's currency and we can do what we damn well please.
Ron Paul isn't going to do anything but damage our standing in the world and invite an economic collapse.
Ron Paul is crazy.
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26 Dec 2011, 8:52 pm
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26 Dec 2011, 9:08 pm
johansen wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
The people we owe money to are the people who bought US Treasury Bonds and the ONLY thing they want is to be able to cash in when the time comes...
Sure we need to get our spending under control, but reality is, as long as the US is the strongest military/economic power on earth the US currency is the world's currency and we can do what we damn well please.
Sure we need to get our spending under control, but reality is, as long as the US is the strongest military/economic power on earth the US currency is the world's currency and we can do what we damn well please.
i take it you can sleep at night, not knowing what your tax dollars are doing.
you should put your money where your mouth is and buy us treasury bonds.
I think I'll wait and see how the election goes. I don't want to support a Paul administration.
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and... no, the markets are bigger and more powerful than governments, they will dump the dollar when it is cost effective to do so.
The markets will continue to operate on dollars until such time as a more stable, more credible power emerges. Until that time American power and stability make dollars better than gold.
Don't worry, if America continues to produce easily manipulated, undereducated cretins, we'll fall soon enough.
That's okay. Canada makes decent beer, plays real football (sort of), and produces really cute Suicide Girls.
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26 Dec 2011, 9:31 pm
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The markets will continue to operate on dollars until such time as a more stable, more credible power emerges. Until that time American power and stability make dollars better than gold.
*cough, what?
26 Dec 2011, 9:37 pm
