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22 Jan 2012, 4:01 pm

Whenever someone criticizes the current state of affairs of politics or the action of politicians, pundits and the corporate media typically decry the electorate. This is based on a fundamentally wrong view of how electoral politics works - the Median Voter Theorem.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFt0k6n_HKc[/youtube]

How do the underlying assumptions break down in reality? Well....


  • There isn't a uniform ideological spectrum. They're been social ultraconservatives on this board who advocated for things like a job guarantee (generally considered a pretty leftwing view). Likewise, they are right-libertarians in the US who want complete deregulation of the marketplace while opposing socially conservative mores.
  • People don't have well-defined policy preferences on many issues, they can be swung to one side or the other on the basis of framing and many issues people just don't care about.
  • There isn't a one-to-one relationship between willingness to vote for a politician and support a given public policy they advocate. Sometimes people will vote simply on character issues or trust (as in "conviction politics"). Swing voters, in particular, like clear positions they might disagree as opposed to muddled positions they may be more sympathetic to.
  • Information isn't free - sometimes, given the ineffectualness of an individual vote, it makes sense to be ignorant of the issues ("rational ignorance") as the marginal cost of gaining the information well out-weights the marginal benefit of acting upon it.
  • Coalitions and corporations, on the other hand, do have the resources and sway for which it'd make sense to incur the costs of gaining info so as to act upon it.



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAQvvY1MEJA&feature=related[/youtube]

What does all this mean? Moderate and soft-line positions do not necessarily make one more "electable".


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22 Jan 2012, 4:11 pm

I think 2, 3, and 5 are your better arguments.

The notion of a median doesn't require a strict left-right scale, but we'd get the same kind of conception, even if political distribution 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional, as really the issue is just capturing as much of the cluster of votes as possible, and the cluster centers on the middle.

The issue of the freedom of information only works as a supporting argument for 5. However, it, in and of itself, doesn't really change how a politician is viewed. Often policy alignment is a matter of fitting into an ideology, and identifying an ideology isn't usually the most difficult thing to do. Politicians sell themselves more on ideology(which people can understand) than policy(which people get more perplexed about sometimes).



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22 Jan 2012, 4:19 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
The issue of the freedom of information only works as a supporting argument for 5. However, it, in and of itself, doesn't really change how a politician is viewed. Often policy alignment is a matter of fitting into an ideology, and identifying an ideology isn't usually the most difficult thing to do. Politicians sell themselves more on ideology(which people can understand) than policy(which people get more perplexed about sometimes).


The inference is still often made that, because a given candidate supports a policy that the media deems "liberal" and later lose, that the "liberalness" of the policy caused the loss. No distinction is made between the content of actual policies and rhetorical ideology.


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22 Jan 2012, 5:24 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
The inference is still often made that, because a given candidate supports a policy that the media deems "liberal" and later lose, that the "liberalness" of the policy caused the loss. No distinction is made between the content of actual policies and rhetorical ideology.

Well, the issue is that this really could just be a matter of modifying the theory. The criticism only works if there is too much multi-methodology in voting.



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26 Jan 2012, 12:36 am

It's still pretty wrong.


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26 Jan 2012, 2:13 am

It is certainly wrong, it is full of logically inconsistent jumps and flawed reasoning.



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28 Jan 2012, 3:46 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFVPAT8Dd3A[/youtube]


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