Evolution vs Creationism, Why are we having this silly debat

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Why are we having this silly debate? A lot of evolutionists on this forum are always bashing only Christians because some of them believe in creationism, but so what? Who cares? What difference does it make to you?

And why is it that you never see the evolutionists bash Muslims, Jews, or Buddhists? Why is it only Christians?

I'm Christian, but I believe in evolution, and what does it matter what I believe? How is that any of your business, and how does it affect your life?

As a formerly atheist Christian who is not technically a Creationist with a paleontologist brother who fears and despises me and with years of service in academia, I can tell you this, two reasons which are by no means necessarily the only reasons:

A. Evolution / Creation is a cheap way to poke at Christians. Science says evolution happened. Scientists are the priests of one of the main religions of out culture. What scientists say is true because they teach it in schools. They teach it in schools because scientists say it is true.

In the bad old days ignorant people did not understand the fact of evolution. Today some Christians do not accept evolution.

So Christians are ignorant primitive people and funny like all stupid people.

...... This ignores what many if not most Christians actually say - there is no fun poking fun if yoiu have to use what people really say.

B. Evolution is an essential dogma of science. If Christians are allowed to put down evolutionary theory, all science will die and we will go back to the dark ages and the internet will stop working.

Christians are dangerous infidels who must be stopped.

..........This ignores what many if not most Christians actually say, the fact that all science does NOT rest on evolution, the fact that belief in God and scientific research are not inimical [it is the fanatical adherents of "Science" and "Religion" who are inimical. There is no use mobilizing people against an enemy if you have to use what the enemy REALLY says.

Life on this planet has evolved. The burden of biology is to figure out the causes and processes which caused life to change from one kind of thing to another kind of thing. There is the fact of evolution and then there are theories as to how and why it happened as it did.

ruveyn

Because they are detrimental to society and need to be taken care of by someone, and by which better people than the ones who have any idea what they're talking about?

Creationism strikes me as horribly illogical. As much so as thinking that the world was carved out of Timat's corpse, or echos are the result of a beautiful nymph cursed by Hera.

It just, in my mind, puts religion in perspective by highlighting how very ridiculous it is.

Well...because of this:

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... ook-debate

Creationists are continually trying to change education standards to include non-science in science classes. There is another case every couple of months somewhere in the country.

Yes, this is why. If Creationists had no effect on public education (or on anything public) I wouldn't care. But they are damaging science education. So I care.

Why bash only Christian Creationists? Because in the U,.S. (where I am), Christian Creationists are the only ones who have attempted to affect public science education. The minute somebody from another religion does the same, I will fight those efforts too.

It may be merely insufficient numbers that is preventing other religions from having this negative impact on science education. Whatever it is, they haven't tried to change any textbooks. If they do, I'll fight them hard.

That the world is round instead of flat would have struk everyone as horribly illogical a few millenia ago.

Quantum mechanics strikes nearly everyone as horribly illogical.

What strikes you as illogical is irrelevant.

While that may be so, in this case K-R-X is right.

Not illogical. Rather, counter intuitive. Why? We develop our intuition and "common sense" in the world of man size things. We can't see atoms and sub-atomic particles (they are smaller than the shortest wavelengths our eyes can handle).

ruveyn

Most of the forum is US/Europe so they deal with Christians the most.

Christians are the ones trying to push creationism in US schools.

Result : Duh?



This is utter lies. I have bashed Muslims plenty of times, and a couple for their creationist crap.

I have the theory that Christians believe they are the center of the universe so they only register in their memories when someone is bashing Xtianity and are only likely to remember those times.

Did you know that whenever someone anti-scientific misuses the word 'quantum' a pixie dies?

Yes, it happens.

Are you responding to someone, or is this just a random thought unconnected to the thread?

Hi emuman100. I have much tolerance for whatever anyone wants to believe, until they try to cram it down everyone else's throats. When they do it by spreading blatant LIES while at the same time claiming THEY have the moral high ground, that offends my sense of what is right and fair as well.

As others have pointed out, the problem with creationist Christians isn't what they believe, it is that they are trying to cram their beliefs into public school science classrooms where it doesn't belong. What's worse, besides using dishonest tactics and spreading misinformation about the subject to do this, is that IF they succeed in sabotaging the science education of American schoolchildren, it is potentially disastrous for our country, for humanity, and for the planet as a whole. THAT is why I make a point of exposing their lies, for whatever it's worth.

It's scary that so many people are still so incredibly misinformed about this subject. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, having serious discussions with people who seriously believe the earth is flat. The young earth creationist viewpoint really is that ridiculous and that wrong.

IF they would admit to the evidence that DOES exist (in spite of their claims to the contrary), and didn't ignore, distort or deny it the way they do, and IF they said that IN SPITE OF the evidence they believe what they do, then I would have a lot more respect for them (although I would wonder why anyone would believe anything that has NO evidence supporting it and literally tons of evidence falsifying it).

Worldwide, there is a serious problem with fundamentalist Muslims being as anti-science as the fundie Christians are, but in the USA, the fundie Christians are the ones trying to legislate the teaching of Bronze Age science in 21st century science classrooms. Note I do not say that they are wrong, only that ALL the evidence found so far supports evolution and falsifies their position. IF they ARE right, then why would God make it LOOK so much like they are so wrong? That is the only question I have about this.

I wrote a song about this in 1991 that is, sadly, still relevant.
Evolution song by The Bicycling Guitarist

So you are the one who determines whether Christians, including not only fundamentalist Christians, but peaceful ones too, are detrimental to society? But if I feel that people like you are detrimental to society, my opinion doesn't count, but yours does?



I'm in the US too, I went to a Catholic school when I was young, and I learned about dinosaurs and later I learned about biology. The ciriculum was mainly determined by the state department of education, not by the school trying to "control" me by "brainwashing" me, as some athiests like to say. But whether a public school teaches evolution or not, the science ciriculum is lacking anyway. Here in the US, science is not taught like it should be, and people don't care much about science. But this is the Christian's fault, right? And it's not just fundamentalist Christians, it's all of them affecting the science ciriculum of public education?

The new atheists are not really post-modernists. So the appeal to private relativism does not cut it. In a sense they are rather like us Christians, they believe that truth matters.