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09 Mar 2012, 11:36 pm

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It’s called a “wrongful birth” bill and it’s all about preventing women from having an abortion, even if it kills them. The Arizona Senate passed a bill this week that gives doctors a free pass to not inform pregnant women of prenatal problems because such information could lead to an abortion.

In other words, doctors can intentionally keep critical health information from pregnant women and can’t be sued for it. According to the Arizona Capitol Times, “the bill’s sponsor is Republican Nancy Barto of Phoenix. She says allowing the medical malpractice lawsuits endorses the idea that if a child is born with a disability, someone is to blame.” So Republicans are banning lawsuits against doctors who keep information from pregnant women so as to prevent them from choosing to have an abortion.


This bill is actually more disturbing than the Republicans seem to realize. Giving doctors such a free pass risks the lives of both the expectant mother and the fetus she carries. Prenatal care isn’t just for discovering birth defects and disabilities. It is also for discovering life threatening issues such as an ectopic pregnancy which often requires an abortion to save the life of the mother. With rare exceptions, ectopic pregnancies are not viable anyway, but Republicans are allowing anti-abortion doctors to keep life threatening information from pregnant women all because they are obsessed with stopping any and all abortions. Women may not know they have a life threatening condition until they die on the emergency room table. And the doctor couldn’t be sued.

This is an egregious bill that will lead to higher mortality rates for infants and mothers. Doctors should be held accountable for not disclosing information learned from prenatal examinations. Pregnant women have the right to know if their future child is going to have a disability or if the pregnancy may require an induced abortion to save their lives. Any decision that is made as a result of the information is the mothers own. Doctors should not be allowed to make decisions for pregnant women as a way to prevent abortions. Women have the right to make their own health decisions and hiding critical information is irresponsible, unconscionable, and risks lives. In the end, Republicans are only putting more lives in jeopardy. They might as well call this the ‘let women die’ bill.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/07 ... abortions/



I do prefer a less biased source when sharing things like this, especially for the sake of debate but I've been working on my writing all day and am feeling too lazy to dig around.


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09 Mar 2012, 11:48 pm

I fled Arizona in September 2011.



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09 Mar 2012, 11:53 pm

I take it you don't regret it? :lol:


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10 Mar 2012, 12:09 am

I'm speechless 8O

Actually, I'm not. There ought to be a law that protects the public from this unconstitutional nonsense and the government from wasting precious time and taxpayer money on such antics. In a multicultural and multi-religious society, the separation of government policies and religious dogma must be guaranteed.

How does this sound: If any public office holder tries to introduce bills and policies that are clearly religiously motivated (such as this one), or so much as mentions the word god or other religious / supernatural terms while performing their duty or during election campaigns, that person needs to be immediately stripped of their office, is not to receive any pensions or benefits, and is barred from ever holding a public office again. I don't see another way to keep these nutcases from turning the USA into a theocracy.



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10 Mar 2012, 12:15 am

CrazyCatLord wrote:
I'm speechless 8O

Actually, I'm not. There ought to be a law that protects the public from this unconstitutional nonsense and the government from wasting precious time and taxpayer money on such antics. In a multicultural and multi-religious society, the separation of government policies and religious dogma must be guaranteed.

How does this sound: If any public office holder tries to introduce bills and policies that are clearly religiously motivated (such as this one), or so much as mentions the word god or the name of a supernatural deity while performing their duty or during election campaigns, that person needs to be immediately stripped of their office, is not to receive any pensions or benefits, and is barred from ever holding a public office again.


There's the Hippocratic Oath, but it seems it's being by-passed in the name of sneaking religious ideals into politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

Also, there's Roe v Wade that's supposed to protect women from these sorts of things unless personhood can be established.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

Some states are known for passing unconstitutional Bills and getting upset when they're overturned. My guess is this one will be overturned.


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10 Mar 2012, 12:27 am

*Sigh* Well, at least this perversion was sponsored by a woman. Usually, it's men who introduce such legislation.



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10 Mar 2012, 12:36 am

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*Sigh* Well, at least this perversion was sponsored by a woman. Usually, it's men who introduce such legislation.


Freedom taken away is freedom taken away, regardless of the status of sexual organs in the pants of the one doing it.


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10 Mar 2012, 12:39 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
CoMF wrote:
*Sigh* Well, at least this perversion was sponsored by a woman. Usually, it's men who introduce such legislation.


Freedom taken away is freedom taken away, regardless of the status of sexual organs in the pants of the one doing it.


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10 Mar 2012, 12:40 am

A vaginaboob can oppress me all it wants.


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10 Mar 2012, 1:28 am

relevant:
http://advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/
What's amazing is that people still occasionally wonder why women are choosing to have fewer and fewer children.



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10 Mar 2012, 1:30 am

...I'm glad I live in a civilised country.


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10 Mar 2012, 1:31 am

abacacus wrote:
...I'm glad I live in a civilised country.


It is for now


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10 Mar 2012, 1:32 am

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...I'm glad I live in a civilised country.


So the whole of the US is uncivilized because one state has passed a Bill of this nature?


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10 Mar 2012, 1:35 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
abacacus wrote:
...I'm glad I live in a civilised country.


So the whole of the US is uncivilized because one state has passed a Bill of this nature?


Among other reasons.

I did use a measure of hyperbole, but it is my honest opinion that the vast majority of the U.S. is a hellhole. Nothing personal against Americans, just... damn your country can be well and truly messed up at times.


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10 Mar 2012, 1:58 am

LKL wrote:
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http://advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/
What's amazing is that people still occasionally wonder why women are choosing to have fewer and fewer children.


I wonder how this would go down while this bill is in effect?


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10 Mar 2012, 2:42 am

I have to imagine it's framed a little different than that but yea, sounds pretty bad. Doctors take an oath to do no harm, withholding medical results would certainly violate that.