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ephestia
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10 Mar 2012, 5:48 am

I was shocked a documentary about a parent who held that the "autism" (enendiendo autism as a catch) was caused by vaccines. Despite what they call "autism" has always existed, with other names. The fact that the theory of vaccinations is defended by people from the cultural level of an actor and a stripper says a lot about his credibility.



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10 Mar 2012, 6:32 am

You are seeminly missing details, the ones that make your story have meaning. What documentary? Who is he? A stripper and an actor support a theory of vaccines??? Totally lost...


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10 Mar 2012, 10:15 am

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I was shocked a documentary about a parent who held that the "autism" (enendiendo autism as a catch) was caused by vaccines. Despite what they call "autism" has always existed, with other names. The fact that the theory of vaccinations is defended by people from the cultural level of an actor and a stripper says a lot about his credibility.

Surely, you mean "the theory that vaccinations cause autism is defended..." rather than "the theory of vaccinations is defended..."

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The fact that the theory of vaccinations causing autism is defended by people from the cultural level of an actor and a stripper says a lot about its credibility.

To be fair, it was also supported by a greedy doctor that was assistant to a law suit lawyer and cooked the numbers and commited fraud in order to "demonstrate" his theory and eventually lost his license for it.


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10 Mar 2012, 7:00 pm

The same people who originally advanced this theory have since refuted it. The "research" behind it was not scientifically valid.



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10 Mar 2012, 7:37 pm

I think some people are suspicious of ingredients in vaccines but I believe they do more good then harm. I'm glad we have them.



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11 Mar 2012, 12:59 am

As I've said in similar threads before, my Dad had been born in rural eastern Washington, in 1921 - a time and place where the old west had barely ended. He had never been vaccinated for anything, but just gained immunity by getting various childhood diseases. And yet, I absolutely believe he had been an Aspie, despite never having been diagnosed.
So much for the notion that vaccinations lead to autism.

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13 Mar 2012, 10:41 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've said in similar threads before, my Dad had been born in rural eastern Washington, in 1921 - a time and place where the old west had barely ended. He had never been vaccinated for anything, but just gained immunity by getting various childhood diseases. And yet, I absolutely believe he had been an Aspie, despite never having been diagnosed.
So much for the notion that vaccinations lead to autism.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


besides which how many of us would rather be ASD and alive (as we are today) then almost certainly dead from some preventable childhood illness?



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13 Mar 2012, 10:43 am

cthulhureqiuem wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I've said in similar threads before, my Dad had been born in rural eastern Washington, in 1921 - a time and place where the old west had barely ended. He had never been vaccinated for anything, but just gained immunity by getting various childhood diseases. And yet, I absolutely believe he had been an Aspie, despite never having been diagnosed.
So much for the notion that vaccinations lead to autism.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


besides which how many of us would rather be ASD and alive (as we are today) then almost certainly dead from some preventable childhood illness?


Absolutely.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Mar 2012, 7:28 am

The anti-vaccine types are right up there with the Creationists and Flat-Earthers.

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14 Mar 2012, 7:53 am

Forgot alt met hoaxers.


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14 Mar 2012, 10:54 am

ruveyn wrote:
The anti-vaccine types are right up there with the Creationists and Flat-Earthers.

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They're worse, because creationists and flat earthers don't cause people to die.

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17 Mar 2012, 4:26 am

The only vaccines I'm against are the BS swine flu shots they sell during scares. Remember 2009? That imo, was profiteering.

The rest are very much necessary, unless we want polio, tuberculosis and measles to make a comeback.



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17 Mar 2012, 5:48 pm

That mere scare was a disease that actually killed people for real. There was a realistic threat of a pandemic and I hope the next time there is a realistic threat they don't go easy on it either. Because pandemics are a case in which I'd rather see them overreact than under-react.


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18 Mar 2012, 8:44 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
That mere scare was a disease that actually killed people for real. There was a realistic threat of a pandemic and I hope the next time there is a realistic threat they don't go easy on it either. Because pandemics are a case in which I'd rather see them overreact than under-react.


The swine flu is less deadly than the regular flu. It was totally all about making big pharma money. Now with that said, if there is a real threat, I'd like them to take it seriously. Just wish we could trust them.



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18 Mar 2012, 1:24 pm

I find it funny that people believe that some vaccines created autism that is a myth no one knows what causes it some people believe it is the next step in human evolution.



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18 Mar 2012, 1:41 pm

I think that I sort of understand why people believe people like Jenny McCarthy. It's not really the people who have autism that fall for it, it's their worried and stressed-out parents. I think that a lot of parents who have severely autistic children feel a sort of helplessness. They really want to help, they really want to do something, but they don't know what to do. Even worse, some of them may feel that society is judging them and that people think that they caused their child's autism by bad parenting. (This is still a widespread belief.)

So someone comes along and says: "I know why this happened! It's not your fault, it's because of a conspiracy involving vaccines! Come and join the fight against the big pharmaceutical lobbies that are responsible for all of this!"

It could be described as despicable preying on the vulnerable, except that I'm pretty sure that Jenny McCarthy really believes it too, since she has a child with autism.

The truly horrible person is Andrew Wakefield. He doesn't have any sad reason to want to believe this stuff. He just got paid by some lawyers to falsify evidence. Nothing more complicated than that.