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20 Jan 2017, 10:06 am

remember this is just a philosophical idea of mine, but what if Aspergers was another type of hominid. I don't know if I got the word "hominid" right in terms of how I want to use it. What I mean is back in the ice age/neanderthal days, there were other types of humans, such as ("neanderthals, homo flourensis, boskop man") you know ect. But imagine if high functioning autism in particular I am thinking but also autism in general, but anyways, just think philosophically what if autism is just that, like what if autism is like the "boskop man" if it's like the "neanderthal" like my belief is maybe I don't just have this thing called aspergers, maybe in a more deeper way I could be or I mean all aspies could be another type of hominid. And yes I have read the nat theroy, when I was looking this up to see if there was anything of what I was thinking, but that is just stupid, from what I heard, no what I mean is that maybe we are a different hominids, and maybe some of these weird wacky disorders like ours, is other hominids, I mean in theory it would make somewhat sense because of other hominids, but it could be, that somehow we are different hominids, aspergers being one, and for example although not literal "synthesia" where you feel colors and all that, but thats just an example, I dont know what do you guys think?



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20 Jan 2017, 10:31 am

In the past, I've used "humanoid lifeform" as a self-descriptor. I honestly don't know the anthropological/biological discipline's thinking on things like this, but would be surprised if difference in neurological structure was a generally accepted criterion. Can't really study/test bones or fossils for that kind of thing.

But I have no background in this, nor did I undertake any Google "research."

Curious what people think on this one.



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20 Jan 2017, 11:04 am

Ya, It is interesting, also what got me thinking of this one is, that aspergers have a general alike facial features, it starts with a "b" the word I forget the word lol, but they lack facial features, so we have a distinct face from other people who don't have it, not in bones but the way we constantly postion our facial expression. that was something my therapist told me, and I did a little bit of research on it. but also with the facial features I got thinking, oh well we do have a different working in our brains thats all similar. And again I dont have evidence im not into science but rather philopshy, so I got thinking again, and came up with well if there used to be other hominids why can't there be others that we do not know about, you know something weird, like a dna hominid, where it randomly offsprings a different type of hominid, in humans, Idk I am not scientific enough to do that, but thats just another thing I came up with. Like maybe there is offspring hominids that reoccur, its weird man, it really is, because there is so much that we don't know. I think it could be very possible that some of these disorders are actually hominids of some kind, and we put the traits together in a pyschological way and say "oh he has this, well it must be a disorder, because we classified it". But we don't really use the money to invest in these ideas, because it wouldn't benifit our societies, all it would do is use money that doesn't benifit the society, but I think that we should so we could have a better understanding of daily aspects of societie and the world.



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20 Jan 2017, 12:37 pm

No.

Aspies are not a separate species of hominid distinct from Homo Sapiens Sapiens analogous to Neanderthals, or Heidelburg Man or whatever. We are not a seperate breading population. We have the same anatomy and the same genome as other living humans who all belong to the species Home Sapiens Sapiens.



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20 Jan 2017, 12:49 pm

You do know what philosophy is? I didn't mean it literally, I stated that. Like you don't have to take it literal, its not supposed to be literal there is no evidence, its just something to have fun with, I don't get why you would just state a bunch of facts on something that I said "This is just something philosophical", it doesn't make sense, and i'm not trying to be negative but, it just kind of annoyed me, because it kind of makes me look like im a nut, when this is clearly something I made up, thats what philosophy is, it would be more like a religon if it was trying to take stuff literally, ok now that I cleared up what I meant by it, I just want to say that I didn't post it to make you angry or anything, but I am just making it clear that this isn't intended to be taken literal, its a thought, like a philosophical thought lol.



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20 Jan 2017, 1:29 pm

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You do know what philosophy is? I didn't mean it literally, I stated that. Like you don't have to take it literal, its not supposed to be literal there is no evidence, its just something to have fun with, I don't get why you would just state a bunch of facts on something that I said "This is just something philosophical", it doesn't make sense, and i'm not trying to be negative but, it just kind of annoyed me, because it kind of makes me look like im a nut, when this is clearly something I made up, thats what philosophy is, it would be more like a religon if it was trying to take stuff literally, ok now that I cleared up what I meant by it, I just want to say that I didn't post it to make you angry or anything, but I am just making it clear that this isn't intended to be taken literal, its a thought, like a philosophical thought lol.


Actually as a philosophy major, I would like to assert that you are the one who does not understand what philosophy is. Like science, philosophy is evidence based.

A more appropriate choice of wording for your idea would be to call it a thought experiment. People with Asperger's syndrome are still definitely members of the species homo sapiens, in fact there is not even any proof that we have any definitely different genetic structure from other humans at all which makes us have the weakest case of being considered our own sub-species out of almost every minority group.


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20 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

^^^^

What he said.

Maybe "Philosophy" isnt the word you are looking for.

Maybe its "poetry". Or "metaphor". You might call aspies "homo asperensis" in a joking, or in a serious metaphoric kinda way. But not in a literal "philosophical" way.



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20 Jan 2017, 2:06 pm

Oh ok, I see what you mean, ya, like thank you for explaining it. Like im from canada, so I take medical marijuana for my anxiety and s**t. But, one of the things I really like when I smoke, is what I thought was philosophy, like terrence mckenna, allan watts, sometimes joe rogan, and I was wanted to ask someone, like what would I be interested in, like I love making up these little BS stories, that is really interesting to me, like when terrence mckenna comes up with these ideas about, culture not being real, or synchronicity, it really interests me, like what would I like, like interested in, using that kind of aspects. But I am really open minded in peoples opion, so I was really glad that you didn't like react in a negative way, because being honest, im a business student, at my provincial university, so I always wanted to get into arts, because of listing to allan and terrence, but what other things would someone like me, a "deep thinking stoned aspie" haha, would be interested in???



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20 Jan 2017, 8:16 pm

Probably, the best "word" would be "speculation."



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20 Jan 2017, 8:29 pm

If he had said that he was "Speculating" that aspies are a different species of hominid than Homo Sapiens it would not have made it any less ridiculous than the way he said it.



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21 Jan 2017, 10:38 pm

No, we just happen to be enough standard deviations from the mean that the center of the bellcurve has decided we have no right to procreate. Which, in a world where the center of the bellcurve sets the rules and the pyramid structure, is a fair assessment.

Thanks to this life I do at least believe in one God - Conformity, and the more arbitrary the better. It proves purity of blood.


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21 Jan 2017, 10:54 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
No, we just happen to be enough standard deviations from the mean that the center of the bellcurve has decided we have no right to procreate. Which, in a world where the center of the bellcurve sets the rules and the pyramid structure, is a fair assessment.

Thanks to this life I do at least believe in one God - Conformity, and the more arbitrary the better. It proves purity of blood.


How does this make any sense.

Asperger's syndrome has no proven genetic link.


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21 Jan 2017, 11:01 pm

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How does this make any sense.

Asperger's syndrome has no proven genetic link.

Right, but the procreative radar doesn't read that deep - it's based in superficial and perceived social power. A person could have sickle-cell anemia but if they had great sales skills it wouldn't be noticed in the same way.


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21 Jan 2017, 11:03 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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How does this make any sense.

Asperger's syndrome has no proven genetic link.

Right, but the procreative radar doesn't read that deep - it's based in superficial and perceived social power. A person could have sickle-cell anemia but if they had great sales skills it wouldn't be noticed in the same way.


What group is making this claim that people with Asperger's syndrome should not be able to procreate? While I think it is possible and likely that one exist somewhere, I have yet to encounter one.


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21 Jan 2017, 11:12 pm

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What group is making this claim that people with Asperger's syndrome should not be able to procreate? While I think it is possible and likely that one exist somewhere, I have yet to encounter one.

Unthinking and impulsive social norms - that group.

I suppose perhaps that it's not necessarily aspies in particular, pretty much anyone who's 2 or 3 standard deviations from the mean or greater. In our culture power comes from effortless fitting in. There are aspies who just have poor social skills but they're interested primarily in career, sports, and what's happening on American Idol - they'll probably be okay in that respect. Then again the basis of diagnosis in that sense is questionable, while I guess in theory a person could be a natural conformist in terms of interest and style of thought and still get dx'd on the autistic spectrum. Similarly there are aspies with relatively good social skills but they're in the outlier camp - they're pretty much screwed; they'll be set back as partners, set back in their efficacy as parents, etc. because confidence in their ability to be understood - especially when it comes to times where they need to display authority to either their kids or other adults - is found wanting.


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21 Jan 2017, 11:19 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
SeeksForTruth wrote:
What group is making this claim that people with Asperger's syndrome should not be able to procreate? While I think it is possible and likely that one exist somewhere, I have yet to encounter one.

Unthinking and impulsive social norms - that group.

I suppose perhaps that it's not necessarily aspies in particular, pretty much anyone who's 2 or 3 standard deviations from the mean or greater. In our culture power comes from effortless fitting in. There are aspies who just have poor social skills but they're interested primarily in career, sports, and what's happening on American Idol - they'll probably be okay in that respect. Then again the basis of diagnosis in that sense is questionable, while I guess in theory a person could be a natural conformist in terms of interest and style of thought and still get dx'd on the autistic spectrum. Similarly there are aspies with relatively good social skills but they're in the outlier camp - they're pretty much screwed; they'll be set back as partners, set back in their efficacy as parents, etc. because confidence in their ability to be understood - especially when it comes to times where they need to display authority to either their kids or other adults - is found wanting.


I am going to have to ask for evidence of this claim.

No one I have met who knew I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, many of them you would more than likely very much place in the category you listed, has ever suggested anything of the sort.

I currently think it is far more likely this is an assumption you make about "conformists" then what these "conformists" actually say.

If you have good evidence to support your claim though, then I will believe it, but given the scope of your claim I doubt you can do so.


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