The rich are getting richer
...as if we didn't already know...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LifOwlzugbk[/youtube]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
It was not ever thus. In the recovery that followed the downturn of the early 1990s, the wealthiest 1 percent captured 45 percent of the nation’s income growth. In the recovery that followed the dot-com bust 10 years ago, Saez noted, 65 percent of the income growth went to the top 1 percent. This time around, it’s reached 93 percent — a level so high it shakes the foundations of the entire American project.
While never putting a premium on economic equality, America has always prided itself on being the preeminent land of economic opportunity. If all of this nation’s wealth is captured by a narrow stratum of the very rich, however, that claim is relegated to history’s dustbin. Research by Julia Isaacs of the Brookings Institution, as part of the Economic Mobility Project, has shown that intergenerational mobility in the United States has fallen far below the levels in Germany, Finland, Denmark and other more social democratic nations of Northern Europe. Now, Saez’s analysis of income data provides further evidence that mocks America’s self-image as a land where hard work yields rewards.
How has the top 1 percent been able to decouple itself from the nation beneath it? To begin, much of its income comes from investments in funds and firms that are raking in profits from overseas ventures in economies like China’s, which weathered the downturn better than ours. Much of those firms’ profits also derive from their reduced labor costs — the result of layoffs and paycuts. Finally, as Saez points out, there has been “an explosion of top wages and salaries” since 1970. In that year, 5.1 percent of all wages and salaries paid in the United States went to the wealthiest 1 percent. In 2007, the share going to the wealthiest 1 percent had more than doubled, to 12.4 percent.
The consequences of this concentration of wealth and income extend beyond the purely economic. A middle class enduring prolonged stagnation isn’t likely to fund projects the nation needs to undertake — such as rebuilding our infrastructure or increasing teacher pay — or, ultimately, to retain its faith in the efficacy of democracy. The rise of super PACs, the low rates of taxation on capital gains and hedge fund operators, the ability of the major banks to fend off reform — all testify to the power of a neo-plutocracy beyond democratic control.
Most proposals to restore a modicum of balance to the American economy focus on making the tax code more progressive. Raising the tax on investments to the level of the tax on wages, for instance, and increasing the inheritance tax would help start reconstruction of a more viable economy.
But changes to the tax code, indispensable though they would be, aren’t remotely sufficient to the challenge of restoring the broadly shared prosperity that Americans enjoyed in the mid-20th century. That would require changing some laws to give stockholders and other corporate stakeholders the power to diminish the share of corporate revenue routinely claimed these days by top executives — at the expense of everyone else. It would require revitalizing unions. David Madland and Nick Bunker of the Center for American Progress recently found that in 1968, when 28 percent of the workforce was unionized, 53 percent of the nation’s income went to the middle class. In 2010, when 11.9 percent of the nation’s workers were unionized, the share claimed by the middle class had fallen to 46.5 percent.
Capitalism can create prosperity, but left unfettered it doesn’t create broadly shared prosperity — and never will. If belief and participation in democracy are sustained by people’s conviction that democracy produces good economic outcomes, then the growing concentration of wealth and income in the United States is a long-term threat to everything we profess to stand for. A nation where 93 percent of income growth goes to the top 1 percent is not a nation that will embark on great projects, or long command the allegiance of its people.
It is easy, but costly. For our masters, well worth the cost. Just keep the population as ignorant as possible. Get politicians to harp on nonsense issues (like contraception) to get the ignorant public fired up. Label anyone who tries to broach the subject of wealth distribution a "socialist." Americans don't know what it means--only that it sounds bad.
Is this a wealth shift enhanced by inflation?
I'm curious how much of a difference there is between making $10 an hour today versus $10 an hour in the early 90s.
That video points to percentage of wealth and where it goes. Suppose the low earners have not only stagnate wages, but their dollars are diluted and lose buying power. Could the lower class's percentage of overall wealth be shrinking more because of the increased number of dollars in the system?
I'm curious how much of a difference there is between making $10 an hour today versus $10 an hour in the early 90s.
That video points to percentage of wealth and where it goes. Suppose the low earners have not only stagnate wages, but their dollars are diluted and lose buying power. Could the lower class's percentage of overall wealth be shrinking more because of the increased number of dollars in the system?
You have to keep in mind that certain investments protect against inflation, there are some bonds that are "inflationproof" in that the holders are compensated for a value loss due to inflation. There are stocks which tend to do well when there is a high inflation because high inflation tends to mean that there has been a massive access to capital prior to it. People have to keep in mind that the reason why middle class and lower tend to get broker as time goes on is because rich people save a hell of a lot more of their income relatively speaking.
Rich people are interested in money, middle class and lower rarely are beyond spending it.
And that is any better because? Essentially all you are saying is that there is international exploitation as well as domestic.
And that is any better because? Essentially all you are saying is that there is international exploitation as well as domestic.
Well, I think the millions of people in China and India that have been lifted from poverty are quite happy with it. I'm merely pointing out that if Chinese workers are doing the work, why should American workers be paid? Most people with this mindset tend to not understand business, if you make a product that sells for $10 how much of that can be attributed to your labor?
Politics is not business. Business can be a very useful means of generating tax revenues, but it should not be a priority.
In the social and cultural dimension, I find no issue in trying to create, at the very least, chances for everyone through income distribution.
Politics itself should really focus on improving various flawed facets of society rather than mindlessly follow corporate interests into oblivion.
Fact is, social mobility towards success, but also towards failure, is not a matter of working for, it's a matter of being set up for. That's my main issue.
In what way is it about being set up for it?
Statistically speaking, being born poor usually means dying not much richer.
For most families, it takes several generations to move from low-skilled labour to truly being part of the 'establishment'.
They don't have the means for Ivy League schools, meaning another generation - therefore another life - is spent making the money to do that.
Basically, you can make a fairly accurate prediction of current status in society for most people born twenty or thirty years ago, then look them up and confirm that.
In what way is it about being set up for it?
Statistically speaking, being born poor usually means dying not much richer.
For most families, it takes several generations to move from low-skilled labour to truly being part of the 'establishment'.
They don't have the means for Ivy League schools, meaning another generation - therefore another life - is spent making the money to do that.
Basically, you can make a fairly accurate prediction of current status in society for most people born twenty or thirty years ago, then look them up and confirm that.
What you have to consider is that the rich people now, did the same thing back when they were broke. Most rich families have that one member that went from broke to rich and since then that money has compounded making them more money. It's a time game more than anything. We can argue back and forth, but from my perspective people are not successful because they do not work to be successful. They may want to be rich and whatnot, but they do not put in the work.
And that is any better because? Essentially all you are saying is that there is international exploitation as well as domestic.
Well, I think the millions of people in China and India that have been lifted from poverty are quite happy with it. I'm merely pointing out that if Chinese workers are doing the work, why should American workers be paid? Most people with this mindset tend to not understand business, if you make a product that sells for $10 how much of that can be attributed to your labor?
The Chinese and Indian workers are not being paid well. That's why we go through the expense of shipping stuff from China--because labour is so cheap there. Lifting them out of poverty is a rather inaccurate statement. A Chinese friend of mine has told me that most people in China are still poor. Those who are well off would not be the ones making our consumer products. My point is that the workers, whomever or wherever they may be, should be paid more and the ridiculous growth in pay of CEOs should be stopped.
And that is any better because? Essentially all you are saying is that there is international exploitation as well as domestic.
Well, I think the millions of people in China and India that have been lifted from poverty are quite happy with it. I'm merely pointing out that if Chinese workers are doing the work, why should American workers be paid? Most people with this mindset tend to not understand business, if you make a product that sells for $10 how much of that can be attributed to your labor?
The Chinese and Indian workers are not being paid well. That's why we go through the expense of shipping stuff from China--because labour is so cheap there. Lifting them out of poverty is a rather inaccurate statement. A Chinese friend of mine has told me that most people in China are still poor. Those who are well off would not be the ones making our consumer products. My point is that the workers, whomever or wherever they may be, should be paid more and the ridiculous growth in pay of CEOs should be stopped.
People are paid based on the value they produce, a normal worker creates very little value a CEO can generate millions if not billions. The Chinese and Indian workers are being paid well for their country, now large parts of China is still poor, however 200 million out of 1 billion is quite a lot of people in the span of 30 years.
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much of the value produced by any company is already paid for, paying the ceo for it too leaves some money missing in the budget and that comes at the expense of others.
no value comes without cost and some of that cost isnt even factored into the economic system of today.
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