Marine Corps veteran interviews 'American Sniper' moviegoers

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05 Feb 2015, 9:59 pm

If this video doesn't open your eyes to what's really wrong in the U.S., then you're beyond hope. I would shake the interviewer’s hand for having the courage to serve his country, but also for having the courage – and the capacity for critical thought – to speak out against what he now believes is an immoral system. If we had more people like this guy in our country, maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we are. The people he interviewed are a depressing example of how dumbed-down and easily led Americans have become.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/mar ... oviegoers/


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05 Feb 2015, 10:09 pm

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If this video doesn't open your eyes to what's really wrong in the U.S., then you're beyond hope. I would shake the interviewer’s hand for having the courage to serve his country, but also for having the courage – and the capacity for critical thought – to speak out against what he now believes is an immoral system. If we had more people like this guy in our country, maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we are. The people he interviewed are a depressing example of how dumbed-down and easily led Americans have become.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/mar ... oviegoers/



I've heard it argued that Tarantino's 'Nazi sniper' was a more honourable warrior, in that at least he didn't target unarmed children.


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06 Feb 2015, 1:05 am

VegetableMan wrote:
I would shake the interviewer’s hand...

Is he still working for the Russian government?



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06 Feb 2015, 4:14 am

I wasn't about to sit through 27 minutes of some former Marine come peacenik hassling moviegoers over why they liked a movie. Does he do this for all movies or is it just his envy of Chris Kyle driving him to make an issue over this particular movie? I saw American Sniper two weeks ago and thought it was at least a decent movie. I'll probably read the book, too.


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06 Feb 2015, 11:15 am

No, he wasn't harassing them at all, they all agreed to be interviewed. He was very tolerant and respectful with them, as he slowly broke down the propaganda with which they'd been brainwashed.


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06 Feb 2015, 11:44 am

Chris who?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... niper.html


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06 Feb 2015, 1:05 pm

Lyudmiya Pavlichenko is what i call a 'true hero'.

Oh, and she wasn't an invader, either. She literally was defending her country.

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06 Feb 2015, 1:35 pm

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No, he wasn't harassing them at all, they all agreed to be interviewed. He was very tolerant and respectful with them, as he slowly broke down the propaganda with which they'd been brainwashed.

It's always brainwashing from someone's political/philosophical viewpoint. This attitude that a threat to the country isn't a threat until until the enemy is storming the beaches is peacenik brainwashing.

If the world wants the US to provide armed overwatch for the globe then these messy little wars are going to occur from time to time. And, yes, the world does want us out there playing the part of the sheepdog whether they know it or not. Or lets just say if we totally stopped all the sudden they'd miss us dearly in less than a decade.


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06 Feb 2015, 1:47 pm

Well, seeing that Iraq didn't posed a threat to the U.S., nor did it have anything to do with 9/11...well, your argument kind of falls a bit flat. We had no business invading that country. Bush, Cheney and all the other chicken hawks who pushed for the war in Iraq should be rotting in prison cells, right now.


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06 Feb 2015, 1:51 pm

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Lyudmiya Pavlichenko is what i call a 'true hero'.

Oh, and she wasn't an invader, either. She literally was defending her country.

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First off, the rifle comrade Pavlichenko is holding is a Tokarev SvT-40 which was state of the art at the time. Russia still uses the 7.62X54R round in their general purpose machine guns and sniper rifles. Ballistically, it is at least the equal to NATO's 7.62X51mm round. I couldn't very well expect you to know that, though.

Getting back to the role of Chris Kyle and military sniping in general, You'd first have to put aside your militant peacenik, America hating first in order for me to even begin. Right now with you I have nothing to work with.


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06 Feb 2015, 2:05 pm

which countries rely on the US for protection?
Israel has nukes so they are ok
Europe has a large army so they are ok

You could argue the US is the only country dealing with somali pirates maybe?



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06 Feb 2015, 2:17 pm

I don't understand where you get the absurd notion that this ex-marine is a "peacenik." At no point did he say he was a pacifist or against all military action. No, he simply had arrived at the conclusion that the war in Iraq was immoral. You know, by exercising critical thought (something too few Americans seem to be capable of, anymore.)

You see, it would have helped the conversation immensely if you had watched the entire video, Raptor.


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06 Feb 2015, 2:25 pm

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Chris who...?

But, but, but....

Chris Kyle wrote that he assaulted former Minnesota Gov. and Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura in California after Ventura drunkenly yelled during a SEAL memorial that the killed-in-action SEAL deserved it, even though not a single witness at the memorial could be found to verify Kyle's claim. Fox News Channel's Rupert Murdoch published the book.

Oh, wait. That's right, Ventura won $1.8 million in July in a libel lawsuit against Kyle's estate http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... eal-sniper .

I guess that legally adds the title "liar" to Kyle's resume. :wink:


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06 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm

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I don't understand where you get the absurd notion that this ex-marine is a "peacenik." At no point did he say he was a pacifist or against all military action. No, he simply had arrived at the conclusion that the war in Iraq was immoral. You know, by exercising critical thought (something too few Americans seem to be capable of, anymore.)

You see, it would have helped the conversation immensely if you had watched the entire video, Raptor.

Adam Kokesh is an Iraqistan military veteran who ran unsuccessfully for Congress as an independent candidate in 2010, and organized several libertarian-constitutional protests in the Washington area and elsewhere while hosting his YouTube.com channel "Adam vs. The Man" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh .


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06 Feb 2015, 2:52 pm

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Well, seeing that Iraq didn't posed a threat to the U.S., nor did it have anything to do with 9/11...well, your argument kind of falls a bit flat. We had no business invading that country. Bush, Cheney and all the other chicken hawks who pushed for the war in Iraq should be rotting in prison cells, right now.


Iraq was a problem child inherited from the Bush 1 and Clinton administrations. Bush 2 was the guy that got stuck with it and felt morally obligated to address it the only way it could be addressed, given the intel at the time. My problem is with the fact that after the invasion he felt compelled to tame an untamable country. That effort fell on it's ass at the cost of too many lives. It was a noble gesture but that's not always good enough....


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I don't understand where you get the absurd notion that this ex-marine is a "peacenik."

The ability to call a pig's ass pork.

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At no point did he say he was a pacifist or against all military action. No, he simply had arrived at the conclusion that the war in Iraq was immoral. You know, by exercising critical thought (something too few Americans seem to be capable of, anymore.)

Military action is not always a pick-n-choose situation or one where morality is black and white. I have to say I find it amusing that the left only champions the exercise "critical thought" when it's a military action that a republican president has driven.....

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You see, it would have helped the conversation immensely if you had watched the entire video, Raptor.

I could see right off where it was going.

BTW, it helps to use the quote tool when responding to someone so they know right off who your replying too.


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