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24 Apr 2012, 11:53 am

An interesting premise.

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/04/23/bo ... t-spencer/

I post this only to spur interesting discussion.



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24 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm

shrox wrote:
An interesting premise.

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/04/23/bo ... t-spencer/

I post this only to spur interesting discussion.


Mohammed is written about by people who knew him in his own time and he had descendants and blood relatives. In fact the split the between Shi'iah and Sunni is a Family Feud.


Unlike Jesus, the God on a Stick, there is first person written testimony supporting the existence of Mohammed.

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24 Apr 2012, 12:21 pm

Muhammed's tomb is in Medina though right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masjid_al-Nabawi


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24 Apr 2012, 12:52 pm

Not sure. Never did enough research. Wouldn't be overly surprised either way.


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24 Apr 2012, 1:05 pm

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Not sure. Never did enough research. Wouldn't be overly surprised either way.


An honest answer.



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24 Apr 2012, 1:09 pm

Interesting :) Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus.



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24 Apr 2012, 7:21 pm

Muhammad did exist and you can find the tomb of Jesus in the city of Bethelham where is was laid to rest.



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24 Apr 2012, 7:26 pm

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Interesting :) Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus.


Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.

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24 Apr 2012, 7:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Interesting :) Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus.


Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made.



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24 Apr 2012, 7:44 pm

Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Interesting :) Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus.


Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made.


I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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24 Apr 2012, 7:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Interesting :) Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus.


Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made.


I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


As does mine also I do accept Muhammad as one of the many prophets.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:21 pm

Yes he existed.



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25 Apr 2012, 11:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?

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25 Apr 2012, 1:31 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?

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You know what, you might get a message here soon. I did request that this thread be to spur interesting discussion, not juvenile remarks. Must I quote the rules to a man as wise as yourself?



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25 Apr 2012, 2:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?

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He was human, so he defecated as his body required.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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25 Apr 2012, 3:15 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?

ruveyn


He was human, so he defecated as his body required.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, but it wasn't "holy". He had the same intestinal bacteria we all have.