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Would you do it?
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02 Jul 2012, 8:02 pm

I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


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02 Jul 2012, 8:04 pm

I assume you are just talking about physical pain. Pain is the indicator that something is wrong. It would be dangerous to choose to not feel pain if it was a choice.


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02 Jul 2012, 10:26 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


A truly nasty proposal. Shame on you!

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03 Jul 2012, 10:18 am

ruveyn wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


A truly nasty proposal. Shame on you!

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Explain what makes it nasty? One person suffering so billions others can be permanently happy seems very sound to me.


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03 Jul 2012, 10:35 am

SanityTheorist wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


A truly nasty proposal. Shame on you!

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Explain what makes it nasty? One person suffering so billions others can be permanently happy seems very sound to me.
Billions wouldn't be happy. If we are just talking about physical pain then people would forget to eat and starve or have malnutrition. THe opposite would happen, people would gorge themselves. Broken arm? No problem worry about it later.


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03 Jul 2012, 10:36 am

Delphiki wrote:
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ruveyn wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


A truly nasty proposal. Shame on you!

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Explain what makes it nasty? One person suffering so billions others can be permanently happy seems very sound to me.
Billions wouldn't be happy. If we are just talking about physical pain then people would forget to eat and starve or have malnutrition. THe opposite would happen, people would gorge themselves. Broken arm? No problem worry about it later.


I am including emotional pain. I doubt that people would be stupid enough to ignore their survival senses; hunger and sleep are survival based, not pain based.


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03 Jul 2012, 10:38 am

Is this some kind of Christian test ?



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03 Jul 2012, 10:38 am

SanityTheorist wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
I made the title like that to attract the intellectuals.

The question I have is this: If you and the rest of humanity could live without pain, but have the pain transferred to one infant, would you do it?

I would do it and have the infant placed where no one can see it because of the "out of sight, out of mind" policy so that people cna just follow their passions and give each other support to get things accomplished.

Without pain people don't grow though. That may lead to some interesting counter-arguments. If causing put downs stops people from getting an edge, they would likely stop and work together more to solve global issues since death is still present.


A truly nasty proposal. Shame on you!

ruveyn


Explain what makes it nasty? One person suffering so billions others can be permanently happy seems very sound to me.
Billions wouldn't be happy. If we are just talking about physical pain then people would forget to eat and starve or have malnutrition. THe opposite would happen, people would gorge themselves. Broken arm? No problem worry about it later.


I am including emotional pain. I doubt that people would be stupid enough to ignore their survival senses; hunger and sleep are survival based, not pain based.
Then would we even be human? We would pretty much be robots


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03 Jul 2012, 10:39 am

Considering we already think in terms of algorithms (on this forum I mean) wouldn't taking it to a degree of permanent memory and such be worthwhile with different codings for different situations?

We wouldn't be robots because we have emotions still; not all emotions stem from pain.


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03 Jul 2012, 10:42 am

SanityTheorist wrote:
Considering we already think in terms of algorithms (on this forum I mean) wouldn't taking it to a degree of permanent memory and such be worthwhile with different codings for different situations?

We wouldn't be robots because we have emotions still; not all emotions stem from pain.
Someone just got raped. That made one person happy and ruined the other persons life. So in your hypothetical world rape is either okay because there is no pain or it never happens. Which means we are taking away what someone did out of free will.


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03 Jul 2012, 10:43 am

Is it done for reproductive purposes or for personal fulfillment? It is wrong either wya, but it changes the context in some ways.


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03 Jul 2012, 12:15 pm

seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is the way of the left brain.



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03 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm

thedaywalker wrote:
seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is the way of the left brain.


The left brain part is debatably the more evolved area as well. Few animals show the ability to put together logical thought.


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03 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
Without pain people don't grow though.


Growth is overrated. I say good riddance, pain.


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03 Jul 2012, 12:33 pm

Sounds like Christianity. Christians say that Jesus accepted the punishment for all our sins, so that we no longer deserve the punishment and thus can go to Heaven.



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03 Jul 2012, 12:48 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:

Explain what makes it nasty? One person suffering so billions others can be permanently happy seems very sound to me.


Human sacrifice is ugly and immoral. Even if there is just one victim, it is still wrong.

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