Under-rated fact: Obamacare is brilliant
There is a lot of campaign trash talk out there about Obamacare. In fact, if you were to pair the search terms "deficit" and "health care," you would find pages of results claiming that "study finds healthcare reform increases deficit." The study in question was conducted by a "conservative trustee," even by the admission of the articles touting the study, not a non-partisan or independent agency. However, these claims seem to get a lot more airtime than legitimate research.
Also, you probably see a lot of campaign ads out there, by the Romney campaign, claiming that repealing the health care bill would "save $95 billion." This is actually an outright lie. Taking out Obamacare might confer a much more modest reduction in some people's taxes than the Romney ad boasts (maybe your employer and a few people who make a lot more money than you do), but there are other budget issues we need to deal with, such as the deficit, for example.
In fact, the CBO actually finds that repealing the health care law would increase our deficit by $210 billion, over the course of 10 years. Similar findings, by independent experts, echo this view. Just in case you haven't noticed, our deficit is getting perilously close to becoming a serious and dangerous problem. It's a lot more important right now to address than taxes, which are comparatively an overrated complaint.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... r-10-years
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html
Now, I read the original bill, and it actually puts a lot of money into mid-career training for medical professionals. This is important because there is actually a shortage of applicants for many jobs in this field...you won't find many unemployed nurses or doctors because they are really quite over-extended right now. This might seem superficially like an abstract, technical issue, but this could actually have a huge impact on how long you would wait in the ER in the event that you were seriously injured or were to become extremely ill.
No, Obamacare doesn't "kill jobs." A study by the Urban Institute, published in Forbes, actually finds that this oft-touted claim is thoroughgoingly false. Here is the full study:
http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/412582 ... ays-No.pdf
The real effect of Obamacare on the job market is the sort of field you can expect to be working in. With the healthcare market just getting bigger, nurses and doctors are in high demand. Obamacare is actually going to put money into training people to work in those jobs.
However, let's not forget the direct outcomes of the bill. Even in light of some of the taxes added by the bill, it is a necessary expense in a world where baby boomers are just getting older. Obamacare does a lot of good things for older patients, including closing the so-called "donut hole" for prescription drugs.
On the other hand, you might have heard the GOP claim that "Obamacare cuts benefits for seniors." This is another hoax: they are actually referring either 1) to a crackdown on Medicare fraud, including several "limousine plans," or 2) a Clinton-era policy that was designed to control Medicare costs, which still hasn't been properly implemented and probably never will be as long as Congress is controlled by spineless ninnies.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2 ... -citizens/
Forbes is not exactly an ultra-liberal media outlet, by the way.
Therefore, what is the real story on Obamacare? As usual, the Republicans have been lying to you in a massive way.
Forbes is not exactly an ultra-liberal media outlet, by the way.
Therefore, what is the real story on Obamacare? As usual, the Republicans have been lying to you in a massive way.
One definitely good thing about the act was the elimination of the existing precondition dodge.
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I don't think conservatives actually care about the deficit. The deficit actually gets them giddy as they can use it to scare the populace into voting for cutting government services. The sneaky thing is cutting government doesn't actually reduce the deficit. The main thing cuts do is kill jobs. Even if they did manage to balance the budget they would be quick to push tax breaks on the wealthy in order to keep the deficit growing as a political tool in which to scare potential voters into believing that even greater cuts are needed.
Forbes is not exactly an ultra-liberal media outlet, by the way.
Therefore, what is the real story on Obamacare? As usual, the Republicans have been lying to you in a massive way.
One definitely good thing about the act was the elimination of the existing precondition dodge.
ruveyn
Here are some of the actual aims of Obamacare:
http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenuCat ... Reform.pdf
Look over that, and see if there is anything there that matches the doom and gloom chanting you keep hearing in the mainstream media. If you actually take a close look, there is a lot to be said for Obamacare other than removing the pre-existing condition thing.
http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenuCat ... Reform.pdf
Furthermore, here is blog article that nicely rips on the whole "repeal Obamacare" proposition. I usually prefer not to cite blogs, but there is another side to the Obamacare story that needs to be told. This person tells it very well.
Don't believe what Romney says about repealing it. Romney is saying anything to get elected. He would say the moon is made out of cheese if he thought it would get him in the White House. Once he gets in, he might make a half-hearted effort to repeal but something will happen that will stop him. It won't be repealed. Romney will try to make it look like he did his best but the opposition is too strong so go ahead and reelect him anyway. That's the plan.
He'd need 60 votes to repeal it. For Republicans, that's as rare as can be.
Reconciliation takes only 51 votes but you can't use reconciliation if it increases the deficit (Byrd rule). Eliminating the mandate would remove the financing mechanism. And the CBO says eliminating PPACA entirely would increase the deficit. But they couldnt use reconciliation on the whole thing anyway.
Don't confuse political rhetoric with things that will actually happen.
Reconciliation takes only 51 votes but you can't use reconciliation if it increases the deficit (Byrd rule). Eliminating the mandate would remove the financing mechanism. And the CBO says eliminating PPACA entirely would increase the deficit. But they couldnt use reconciliation on the whole thing anyway.
Don't confuse political rhetoric with things that will actually happen.
Exactly.
What they might try to do with 51 votes is eliminate the mandate and then cut spending enough to offset the losses in revenue (in an area the committe deals with, I think). But all they are doing there is handing a poison pill to the insurance companies, who will lobby very hard against it and who give lots of money to the GOP. Some progressives might even like that. A death blow to the old system that some had hoped for.
To fix the resulting mess they'd have to go back and deal with some very angry Democrats to get 60 votes.
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Reconciliation takes only 51 votes but you can't use reconciliation if it increases the deficit (Byrd rule). Eliminating the mandate would remove the financing mechanism. And the CBO says eliminating PPACA entirely would increase the deficit. But they couldnt use reconciliation on the whole thing anyway.
Don't confuse political rhetoric with things that will actually happen.
This is not true, they absolutely can use reconciliation. CBO projection mean very little, they are merely an estimate on the information given to them and nothing else. That's how Obamacare was able to come out 'budget neutral' to begin with. The Senate parliamentarian is the one who determines what can be used in the reconciliation process but the parliamentarian can be replaced by the Senate Majority Leader or just overruled by the Vice President as the President of the Senate. All that is really needed to repeal is a simple majority in both houses and the presidents signature. Senate rules can be bended as we all saw with the passing of this bill.
The only thing could really stop this from happening would be public opinion turning and the GOP/Romney chickening out. There is precedent for these procedures but they haven't been used very often because of the political fallout. However, if Romney wins the presidency and the GOP takes over the senate then the writing is pretty much on the wall. I imagine you'd see Democrats abandoning ship on this legislation very quickly if it sunk a presidency and supermajorities in both houses.
To fix the resulting mess they'd have to go back and deal with some very angry Democrats to get 60 votes.
Yes, it's the insurance companies that want it. They have all along.
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Reconciliation takes only 51 votes but you can't use reconciliation if it increases the deficit (Byrd rule). Eliminating the mandate would remove the financing mechanism. And the CBO says eliminating PPACA entirely would increase the deficit. But they couldnt use reconciliation on the whole thing anyway.
Don't confuse political rhetoric with things that will actually happen.
This is not true, they absolutely can use reconciliation. CBO projection mean very little, they are merely an estimate on the information given to them and nothing else. That's how Obamacare was able to come out 'budget neutral' to begin with. The Senate parliamentarian is the one who determines what can be used in the reconciliation process but the parliamentarian can be replaced by the Senate Majority Leader or just overruled by the Vice President as the President of the Senate. All that is really needed to repeal is a simple majority in both houses and the presidents signature. Senate rules can be bended as we all saw with the passing of this bill.
The only thing could really stop this from happening would be public opinion turning and the GOP/Romney chickening out. There is precedent for these procedures but they haven't been used very often because of the political fallout. However, if Romney wins the presidency and the GOP takes over the senate then the writing is pretty much on the wall. I imagine you'd see Democrats abandoning ship on this legislation very quickly if it sunk a presidency and supermajorities in both houses.
That's certainly your opinion.
From everything Ive read, including from rw sources, to make reconciliation work they'd need to target specific budget related provisions (not the whole PPACA) and offset the lost revenue with spending cuts or tax increases. With 51 votes and the Presidency that might work for portions of the law but it has to be deficit neutral per the byrd rule.
And in the end they'd just be creating some kind of unfunded frankenstein law. The kind that was feared if the SC dismantled portions of the law. To fix the mess after they created it would require a proper bill and Democratic votes to get to 60. That would be an interesting meeting. I would bet on a fillibuster and letting the GOP own the resulting mess.
If you think it's easy, you are kidding yourself. But you've been doing that for some time.
Sure, that's the only part they like. They are going to try very hard to eliminate the rest. The government has their nuts in a vice. I like that.
A majority of judges at every level found it Constitutional. Do you have some other metric?
Even if Romney is elected and manages to do away with AHCA, what will happen to all those Americans with preexisting conditions? They are counting on being covered, now Romney will come along and say "not now." That's totally unethical. Get their hopes up only to dash them. There are still problems that need solving even if Obamacare is repealed.
The CBO has already revised their cost estimates for what Obamacare will cost. Originally they thought 900 billion. Now they are saying Obamacare will cost us 1.8 trillion dollars the first 10 years. My guess is even that estimate is wrong. With the way Washington works times that by 2 or 3 and that is what likely costs will be.
Economist Lawrence Kudlow had an article about this worrying development. As he mentions, costs like this bankrupt nations.
"A Game-Changer For Romney"
http://news.investors.com/article/61667 ... romney.htm
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And this whole panoply of ObamaCare taxes is already one big drag on the economy. Just in recent days, revised GDP came in at 1.9%, and real consumer spending was essentially flat. Job growth has slowed markedly, as have new factory orders. Economists on Wall Street are looking for only 2% growth this year. The Fed is so worried about the economy it might launch another counterproductive quantitative easing.
Meanwhile, health care premiums are going up, not down. Mandated one-size-fits-all health services and insurance will incentivize businesses to pay the fine and push employees into the state's exchange system. And this will drive up the subsidized entitlement even more.
The CBO now estimates that ObamaCare spending will hit $1.8 trillion over the next 10 years. That's a number that started out at only half as much. But that's what happens when you install European-style entitlements. You threaten to bankrupt the nation's finances. Or you threaten to literally tax us into perpetual subpar growth and high unemployment.
The problem is several fold. Thought Walter Russell Mead had a nice quote about every special interest being included in coverage. That is why insurance costs have risen, and why next semester many University students will find themselves with out coverage.
"Obamacare Killing Affordable Student Insurance"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... insurance/
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Unfortunately, every year special interests will find ways to hook new mandates onto the insurance requirements, and every year the cost of coverage will inexorably rise.
At one level there is nothing wrong with this; the more coverage for consumers, the better. But there’s the question of cost. If all insurance plans have to be gold-plated, full-service — and pre-existing conditions have to be covered — then health insurance is going to be unaffordable for many and perhaps most people. Young people in particular need low cost options; their incomes are low and their health risks are less so for some students choosing a cheap plan with limited coverage makes sense...
Personally, I thought the health care system in Singapore looks attractive. Singapore provides Universal coverage, with quality care at half the cost. They do this by providing their citizens greater freedom to make choices. If Obamacare is repealed, I think this a better option for our financially strapped nation.
"The Singapore Alternative"
excerpt from John Stossel's article:
The WHO says that 64 percent of all medical spending in Singapore comes from individuals spending their own money at the doctor's office. In the US it's 13 percent. In France, where the government pays for just about everything, it's 7 percent.
The result? Economist Scott Sumner says:
1. Singapore health care costs only half as much as European health care.
2. Singapore has universal coverage.
3. Singaporeans live much longer than Europeans.
Some of that may be because of differences in culture and crime rates. But Singapore also beats its Asian neighbors that have government-run health care: Singaporeans spend half as much as Japanese, yet have virtually the same life span.
If we do want universal care, more HSAs would be better than Congress’ 2,000 pages of micromanagement.
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stoss ... z1ztIxY7Jb