Paying income tax is voluntary

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26 Jul 2012, 5:29 pm

Year heard it correctly. Paying tax is voluntary at least if you live in the US.
According to this video, the IRS cannot show a law that requires a
US citizen to pay income tax. The IRS can frighten you but they cannot
nail you fanny.

In the UK it isn't the case, So I am not too pleased. Blighty sucks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37Fm7paVjs&feature=related[/youtube]

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26 Jul 2012, 5:34 pm

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Blighty sucks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37Fm7paVjs&feature=related[/youtube]

Edwin Schiff wrote a book based on this thesis. It was published while he was in prison.

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26 Jul 2012, 5:36 pm

You can and voluntarily go to jail I guess

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26 Jul 2012, 5:39 pm

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You can and voluntarily go to jail I guess

Can you. I always wanted to go to jail for a day.

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26 Jul 2012, 5:42 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

You can and voluntarily go to jail I guess

Can you. I always wanted to go to jail for a day.

I dunno about yours, but every county jail I've ever been to (for reasons not relating to being incarcerated, thankfully) has offered tours to the public.

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26 Jul 2012, 5:46 pm

I would imagine if one does not have a social security number in the United States... then it is not traceable. I know someone who's mother chose not to get a social security number for her when she was born. She was pretty pissed about it when transitioning into adulthood. Voluntary is true... without major consequences is not.

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26 Jul 2012, 5:49 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:

Aspie_Chav wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

You can and voluntarily go to jail I guess

Can you. I always wanted to go to jail for a day.

I dunno about yours, but every county jail I've ever been to (for reasons not relating to being incarcerated, thankfully) has offered tours to the public.

A tour is one thing but to be a criminal for a day is another.

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26 Jul 2012, 5:55 pm

But the pigs can throw you in jail.

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26 Jul 2012, 6:37 pm

Looking at the way you're dressed, do you even pay income taxes?

If you're eligible to pay taxes, you should. Else you should move to a remote island with a band of mercenaries to protect you, a private doctor to keep you alive, private education for your family and privately-owned roads for you to drive on with fuel you've privately imported from somewhere with public infrastructure. If you're a tax evader, you're a thief every time you drive on a road, switch the lights on, use water, send your children to school, retire, call the police, call the fire department because your house is burning down, or need medical treatment.

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26 Jul 2012, 9:09 pm

Just about everyone who has made these arguments has gone to prison.

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26 Jul 2012, 9:15 pm

That idea comes from the Patriot Movement and the Freeman on the Land Movement. It is pseudolegal woo.

Proponents of this idea ignore the 16th Amendment and the fact that the U.S. Constitution authorizes the Supreme Court, not ordinary citizens, to interpret the Constitution.

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26 Jul 2012, 9:49 pm

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Proponents of this idea ignore the 16th Amendment and the fact that the U.S. Constitution authorizes the Supreme Court, not ordinary citizens, to interpret the Constitution.

Absolutely not true. Judicial review is not in the constitution, the Supreme Court gave itself that power in 1803. Thomas Jefferson was strongly against the idea of judicial review.

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26 Jul 2012, 10:16 pm

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Absolutely not true. Judicial review is not in the constitution, the Supreme Court gave itself that power in 1803. Thomas Jefferson was strongly against the idea of judicial review.

Are you in the Patriot movement? Here is Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution:

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The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

The courts, not individuals, have the constitutional authority to resolve controversies.

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27 Jul 2012, 1:13 am

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Don't you like the way I dress high and mightiness! I dress quite pretty don't you think. All the expenses that you mentioned is covered by local taxes, property tax and tax on gas. The central government collect taxes to fund wars and to fund the federal reserve dept based monitory system. When you look at it, middle class people paying 25% of income is quite high. When you file a tax return with the list of expenses, ask the IRS for their list so that you know what your money is being spend on.

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27 Jul 2012, 5:51 am

Jacoby wrote:

nominalist wrote:

Proponents of this idea ignore the 16th Amendment and the fact that the U.S. Constitution authorizes the Supreme Court, not ordinary citizens, to interpret the Constitution.

Absolutely not true. Judicial review is not in the constitution, the Supreme Court gave itself that power in 1803. Thomas Jefferson was strongly against the idea of judicial review.

You will notice that no subsequent court has rescinded this usurped power.

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27 Jul 2012, 6:57 am

ruveyn wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

nominalist wrote:

Proponents of this idea ignore the 16th Amendment and the fact that the U.S. Constitution authorizes the Supreme Court, not ordinary citizens, to interpret the Constitution.

Absolutely not true. Judicial review is not in the constitution, the Supreme Court gave itself that power in 1803. Thomas Jefferson was strongly against the idea of judicial review.

You will notice that no subsequent court has rescinded this usurped power.

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Guess that is no supprise. Obama is trying to declare martial law.

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