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05 Aug 2012, 9:11 pm

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06 Aug 2012, 12:14 am

Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.



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06 Aug 2012, 7:01 am

That's hilarious, actually! :lol: You have a number of Christian divisions that show a fairly diverse distribution of wealth within the division. And then you get to the Hindus and the Jews who seem to have a bit of trouble letting go of their money.

I dislike falling into stereotypes, but two out of the three Jews I've gotten to know well over the years had at some point been tightwads in the extreme--one of whom still is. Why such difficulty in letting go of money?

I don't know that much about Hindus to make the same cultural assessment. One thing I've noticed about some of the Chinese I've interacted with in the past is that is they either pushed themselves to live an upper middle class lifestyle or they took what jobs they could and pushed their children to extremes in their education. The children ended up all becoming doctors, engineers, and software designers. I wonder if there isn't a similar attitude with an immigrant culture that just happens to be predominantly Hindu and the actual religion not really having all that much to do with it?



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06 Aug 2012, 7:11 am

enrico_dandolo wrote:
Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.

And Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons.



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06 Aug 2012, 7:29 am

enrico_dandolo wrote:
Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.


The divisions are standard

Mainline "Christians" = Traditional protestants; Anglicans, Lutherans, presybterians etc.
Evangelical "Christians" =modern or american style protestants; Baptists, Pentecostals, megachurch goers, etc.
Catholics and Orthodox don't fall into those categories.


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06 Aug 2012, 7:32 am

AngelRho wrote:
That's hilarious, actually! :lol: You have a number of Christian divisions that show a fairly diverse distribution of wealth within the division. And then you get to the Hindus and the Jews who seem to have a bit of trouble letting go of their money.

I dislike falling into stereotypes, but two out of the three Jews I've gotten to know well over the years had at some point been tightwads in the extreme--one of whom still is. Why such difficulty in letting go of money?

I don't know that much about Hindus to make the same cultural assessment. One thing I've noticed about some of the Chinese I've interacted with in the past is that is they either pushed themselves to live an upper middle class lifestyle or they took what jobs they could and pushed their children to extremes in their education. The children ended up all becoming doctors, engineers, and software designers. I wonder if there isn't a similar attitude with an immigrant culture that just happens to be predominantly Hindu and the actual religion not really having all that much to do with it?


the Chinese are not usually Hindus.
I would like to see the Hindus in the study broken down by surname
how many of the above 100k are called Patel.


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06 Aug 2012, 8:17 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
That's hilarious, actually! :lol: You have a number of Christian divisions that show a fairly diverse distribution of wealth within the division. And then you get to the Hindus and the Jews who seem to have a bit of trouble letting go of their money.

I dislike falling into stereotypes, but two out of the three Jews I've gotten to know well over the years had at some point been tightwads in the extreme--one of whom still is. Why such difficulty in letting go of money?

I don't know that much about Hindus to make the same cultural assessment. One thing I've noticed about some of the Chinese I've interacted with in the past is that is they either pushed themselves to live an upper middle class lifestyle or they took what jobs they could and pushed their children to extremes in their education. The children ended up all becoming doctors, engineers, and software designers. I wonder if there isn't a similar attitude with an immigrant culture that just happens to be predominantly Hindu and the actual religion not really having all that much to do with it?


the Chinese are not usually Hindus.
I would like to see the Hindus in the study broken down by surname
how many of the above 100k are called Patel.

No, I'm aware of Chinese religious leanings. I was suggesting a possible link between what I call two different immigrant cultures--being the new kids on the block, trying to live the American dream, and working as if your life depends on it. People tend to be more competitive when the stakes are higher. Some of the third-generation Chinese I know are culturally indistinct from any other American. They're fat and lazy just like the rest of us!

My question is would this apply to Hindus as well? Or is it a culturally ingrained value similar Jewish cultural values? I don't want to reinforce a stereotype here, but the numbers are right there on that chart.

And I agree with the whole "Patel" thing. That has to do with being well-connected with their homeland, though. But the name isn't indicative of a common ancestor. My last name is Beckham, which is a place name rather than a person's name. David and I are likely not related, but we might have had ancestors who knew each other.



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06 Aug 2012, 8:23 am

AFAIK, the wealthiest christians in the USofA are Catholics and Mormons(if you consider the latter to be christian). But where are the atheists on that chart??? Nonetheless, it certainly pays to be Jewish.



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06 Aug 2012, 8:30 am

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AFAIK, the wealthiest christians in the USofA are Catholics and Mormons(if you consider the latter to be christian). But where are the atheists on that chart??? Nonetheless, it certainly pays to be Jewish.
I don't consider the Mormons to be Christian, but that's beside the point. Industriousness is a huge part of Mormon culture. The name "Deseret" I understand means "honeybee." The author of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is a Mormon, and many of the ideas reflected in that book are LDS-inspired.



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06 Aug 2012, 9:18 am

AngelRho wrote:
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AFAIK, the wealthiest christians in the USofA are Catholics and Mormons(if you consider the latter to be christian). But where are the atheists on that chart??? Nonetheless, it certainly pays to be Jewish.
I don't consider the Mormons to be Christian, but that's beside the point. Industriousness is a huge part of Mormon culture. The name "Deseret" I understand means "honeybee." The author of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is a Mormon, and many of the ideas reflected in that book are LDS-inspired.


They worship the same god as you. They call him by the same name. They believe in the same son. The bit where they added an additional book is new, sure, but at the end of the day they're reading the same basic stuff you are. They're Christian, same as Baptists, Pentecostals, and the other denominations Christianity as a whole wishes would stop getting so much publicity and quit giving it a bad name. Get over it.


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06 Aug 2012, 9:46 am

Lord_Gareth wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
AFAIK, the wealthiest christians in the USofA are Catholics and Mormons(if you consider the latter to be christian). But where are the atheists on that chart??? Nonetheless, it certainly pays to be Jewish.
I don't consider the Mormons to be Christian, but that's beside the point. Industriousness is a huge part of Mormon culture. The name "Deseret" I understand means "honeybee." The author of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is a Mormon, and many of the ideas reflected in that book are LDS-inspired.


They worship the same god as you. They call him by the same name. They believe in the same son. The bit where they added an additional book is new, sure, but at the end of the day they're reading the same basic stuff you are. They're Christian, same as Baptists, Pentecostals, and the other denominations Christianity as a whole wishes would stop getting so much publicity and quit giving it a bad name. Get over it.

Well, that's not really the point. In the OT, wealth is an indication of God's blessing, but this can also be misinterpreted as saying "God wants us to be rich, therefore the wealthier you are, the more God approves." The NT, on the other hand, emphasizes that material wealth is not really all that important. If we're talking money, here, then the tie-in is more cultural than religious if you're applying it to the Christian mindset. The accumulation of wealth is more significant for Mormons and Jews than it seems to be for mainstream Christians. I don't believe this to be a religious thing, but rather something attached to the culture that adopts those religions. Jews are kind of a special case due to an added ethnicity component. I think that's kind of a cool heritage to have. LDS can't even claim that same distinction.



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06 Aug 2012, 10:34 am

AngelRho wrote:
That's hilarious, actually! :lol: You have a number of Christian divisions that show a fairly diverse distribution of wealth within the division. And then you get to the Hindus and the Jews who seem to have a bit of trouble letting go of their money.


The graph tells you nothing about spending habits. The graph is only about income.



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06 Aug 2012, 10:37 am

AspieRogue wrote:
AFAIK, the wealthiest christians in the USofA are Catholics and Mormons(if you consider the latter to be christian). But where are the atheists on that chart??? Nonetheless, it certainly pays to be Jewish.


mainline Christians are richer than both.
21% above 100k and 25% below 30k
Catholics and Mormons have
19%-rich 31%-poor and 16%-rich 26% poor.

Evangelicals are evidently not as blessed as they think they are.
They are more likely to be poor than Average Americans and Catholics(many of whom are Mexican.) As well as less likely to make over 100k than everyone except black folk and JW's

If one wanted to say there was a correlation between Gods love and wealth then
God love him some Jews and Desis.


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06 Aug 2012, 10:50 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.


The divisions are standard

Mainline "Christians" = Traditional protestants; Anglicans, Lutherans, presybterians etc.
Evangelical "Christians" =modern or american style protestants; Baptists, Pentecostals, megachurch goers, etc.
Catholics and Orthodox don't fall into those categories.

There are more than a billion Catholics. If anyone has a claim to the name "Christian", it is they.



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06 Aug 2012, 10:56 am

enrico_dandolo wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.


The divisions are standard

Mainline "Christians" = Traditional protestants; Anglicans, Lutherans, presybterians etc.
Evangelical "Christians" =modern or american style protestants; Baptists, Pentecostals, megachurch goers, etc.
Catholics and Orthodox don't fall into those categories.

There are more than a billion Catholics. If anyone has a claim to the name "Christian", it is they.


Of course unfortunately 'mericans are stupid.
Our protestants have no clue about their origins and like to be called Christians without any modifiers.

Catholics are not what american's call Mainline Christians which should really be called Mainline Protestants but this would lead most American "Christians" to scratch their collective heads having no idea what a Protestant is let alone that it is the group they belong to.


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06 Aug 2012, 11:02 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
enrico_dandolo wrote:
Strange chart. "Christian" apparently means Protestant. The last time I surfed Wikipedia, both Catholics and Orthodox were Christians.


The divisions are standard

Mainline "Christians" = Traditional protestants; Anglicans, Lutherans, presybterians etc.
Evangelical "Christians" =modern or american style protestants; Baptists, Pentecostals, megachurch goers, etc.
Catholics and Orthodox don't fall into those categories.

There are more than a billion Catholics. If anyone has a claim to the name "Christian", it is they.


Of course unfortunately 'mericans are stupid.
Our protestants have no clue about their origins and like to be called Christians without any modifiers.

Catholics are not what american's call Mainline Christians which should really be called Mainline Protestants but this would lead most American "Christians" to scratch their collective heads having no idea what a Protestant is let alone that it is the group they belong to.





The net worth of the Catholic church is far greater than the net work of ANY other christian denomination. But in terms of wealth per capita, the jews come out on top. I guess their religion works.