Trump: Time to recognise Golan Heights as Israeli territory

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22 Mar 2019, 8:28 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47657843


How about the Americans declare the whole Middle-East as Israeli territory and be done with it?



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22 Mar 2019, 8:37 am

"The Americans" aren't Trump. Keep that in mind.



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22 Mar 2019, 8:37 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
"The Americans" aren't Trump. Keep that in mind.

Said an American Jew, keep that in mind :)


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22 Mar 2019, 8:41 am

I happen to be a supporter of the "two state" solution.

My being a Jew has nothing to do with my views on Israel. I feel like Israel was established in an arbitrary manner.

I look at it from both viewpoints. If I were a Palestinian whose land was taken away, I'd be pretty pissed.



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22 Mar 2019, 8:46 am

I hope I wasn't impolite, sorry if I was.
I meant not only not all Americans agree with Trump but also not all Jews support politics of Israel.
And not all Arabs support IS, to tease Boo.


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22 Mar 2019, 8:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
"The Americans" aren't Trump. Keep that in mind.



From a foreign policy perceptive, that makes no difference really.

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And not all Arabs support IS, to tease Boo.


Except no Arab king/president/ruler declared of supporting IS.



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22 Mar 2019, 8:52 am

But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

Just like Trump not recognizing that Jerusalem is a holy city to Muslims and Christians, as well as Jews.



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22 Mar 2019, 8:56 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

Just like Trump not recognizing that Jerusalem is a holy city to Muslims and Christians, as well as Jews.


And what did the other 'good Americans' do to change about the Trump's Jerusalem recognition? Nothing.

No dear, let's not be native, from a foreign perspective, when Trump speaks = America speaks.

He's an elected President, and any internal opposition is none of our business.



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22 Mar 2019, 9:03 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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And not all Arabs support IS, to tease Boo.


Except no Arab king/president/ruler declared of supporting IS.

Sure but some force shariah in their countries that AFAIK you don't support, too.

But you have a point, Trump speaks with all the power of US behind him, regardless what other Americans may think or feel.
I don't like more conflict in the Middle East. Even from my egoistic European perspective it's no good, and I do think of all the people living in territories of potentially another conflict.


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22 Mar 2019, 9:04 am

Take this up with the Senators and the Members of the House of Representatives....

I'm not going to take the blame for some President's diplomatic screwups.

All I can do is advocate for another viewpoint on all this.



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22 Mar 2019, 12:10 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

Just like Trump not recognizing that Jerusalem is a holy city to Muslims and Christians, as well as Jews.


All of Golan Heights is Syrian territory. Israel is illegally occupying some of it.


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22 Mar 2019, 12:13 pm

The puppet makes another move for Russia eh? :roll: Where's all the hysteria when you need it? Trump is openly working on behalf of another state. Netanyahu has slept in his son in law's bed!

https://forward.com/fast-forward/362898 ... hners-bed/


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22 Mar 2019, 4:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

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Entirely in Syria. Seized during the 1967 war. High ground right outside of Israel's pre 67 border they make a great place to swoop down and attack Israel from, or (if in Israeli hands) make a great natural buttress against attack on Israeli from the direction of Syria. Thus why Israel is loath to give up the Golan Heights. Not to take sides. That's just how it is.



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22 Mar 2019, 5:43 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

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Entirely in Syria. Seized during the 1967 war. High ground right outside of Israel's pre 67 border they make a great place to swoop down and attack Israel from, or (if in Israeli hands) make a great natural buttress against attack on Israeli from the direction of Syria. Thus why Israel is loath to give up the Golan Heights. Not to take sides. That's just how it is.


Repeating Israeli propaganda is taking sides in afraid. Israel started the 'war' to steal land. It's Israel that attacks. If you reversed everything you said then you'd have it how it is.


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22 Mar 2019, 7:21 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
But, from a foreign policy perspective, it is important. Trump is raising the stakes. He's creating conditions for conflict.

Trump is being a total as*hole about this. The Golan Heights, if I'm not mistaken, are mostly in Syrian territory.

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Entirely in Syria. Seized during the 1967 war. High ground right outside of Israel's pre 67 border they make a great place to swoop down and attack Israel from, or (if in Israeli hands) make a great natural buttress against attack on Israeli from the direction of Syria. Thus why Israel is loath to give up the Golan Heights. Not to take sides. That's just how it is.


Repeating Israeli propaganda is taking sides in afraid. Israel started the 'war' to steal land. It's Israel that attacks. If you reversed everything you said then you'd have it how it is.


What I said is how it is.



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23 Mar 2019, 7:00 am

Every invader in history has claimed they needed to attack or steal land for defensive measures or that it was good for the "savages". Israel feels it has a racial and God given right to the land. Nothing to do with feeling threatened. Israel is the threat and they have hundreds of nukes and support of the US with more nukes. That's how it is!


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