Libyan democratic experiment a failure!

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23 Sep 2012, 12:05 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYIZuicrWw[/youtube]

... at least by NRA logic, as the people don't support the rights of anti-government militia lunatics to bear arms.

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23 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm

If this is as described, it's good news. That's the kind of Muslim anger we could all do with. Good on the brave people of Benghazi.

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23 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYIZuicrWw[/youtube]

... at least by NRA logic, as the people don't support the rights of anti-government militia lunatics to bear arms.

I don't get it. If this is true, I would actually take it as a good sign, rather than failure for democracy. Also, who is the NRA?

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23 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm

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I don't get it. If this is true, I would actually take it as a good sign, rather than failure for democracy. Also, who is the NRA?

I believe Master_Pedant is talking about the "National Rifle Association" in the US. They're considered extreme right-right wing.

I love this part of the al-Qaeda plan backfired. I bet they were expecting the Libyans to get angry at America for the video, but they kicked the hives nest instead.

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23 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm

Pileo wrote:

I believe Master_Pedant is talking about the "National Rifle Association" in the US. They're considered extreme right-right wing.

Not in the US, where they're idea of having guns on trains, in national parks, in movie theatres, and in the hands of people on the Terrorist Watch List are perfectly mainstream ideas.

As is the talking point that people to be gunned to the teeth to "oppose government tyranny". Extra-parliamentary militias, of course, fit this absurd talking point all too well - which shows the disastrous outcomes when American mainstream rightwing ideas are actually put into practice.

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23 Sep 2012, 1:22 pm

I bet the Gadhafi's and the Hussein's will be reincarnated and back in power by the end of the decade.

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23 Sep 2012, 3:43 pm

Pileo wrote:

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I don't get it. If this is true, I would actually take it as a good sign, rather than failure for democracy. Also, who is the NRA?

I believe Master_Pedant is talking about the "National Rifle Association" in the US. They're considered extreme right-right wing.

They are only considered extreme right-wing by far-left anti-gun loons.

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I love this part of the al-Qaeda plan backfired. I bet they were expecting the Libyans to get angry at America for the video, but they kicked the hives nest instead.

Agreed, maybe we should give Libya the foreign aid that goes to Egypt.

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23 Sep 2012, 5:16 pm

These 'militia' in question can better be described as Al Qaeda-aligned terrorists.

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Pileo wrote:

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I don't get it. If this is true, I would actually take it as a good sign, rather than failure for democracy. Also, who is the NRA?

I believe Master_Pedant is talking about the "National Rifle Association" in the US. They're considered extreme right-right wing.

They are only considered extreme right-wing by far-left anti-gun loons.

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I love this part of the al-Qaeda plan backfired. I bet they were expecting the Libyans to get angry at America for the video, but they kicked the hives nest instead.

Agreed, maybe we should give Libya the foreign aid that goes to Egypt.

Yes, the NRA as extremist is laughable. Gun Owners of America is a much better organization.

As for Libya/Egypt, how about we give neither aid and save ourselves some money?

Also, it's pretty hard to say the 'opposing tyranny talking point' is illegitimate in a country that was ruled for 40 years by a dictator.

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23 Sep 2012, 5:39 pm

While Obama's aid to Libya during their uprising can be strongly argued as unconstitutional due to his lack of congressional approval, on the whole it seems to have given us a very strong ally in the region. I felt terrible after the ambassador was killed, thinking that maybe the region as a whole was just to backwards for democracy and diplomacy, but the next day there was a picture in the paper of a woman holding a sign saying, 'Thugs and killers do not represent Benghazi nor Islam,' and in general the people of Benghazi in specific and Libya in general seem not only to agree with that sentiment but have been backing it up with actions. The people of Libya seem to want a peaceful, modern state, and good for them.

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23 Sep 2012, 6:24 pm

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I am glad that fanatics didn't get control of Libya, we were extremely lucky in that regard (radicals are in control of Egypt now).

Fact of the matter is we should have supported the demonstrators in Iran, we know which way the Iranian people would go if they overthrew their government. The situation in Libya was not nearly as clear cut, however the people of Libya considered our Ambassador to be a friend, and his death turned him into a martyr for the people of Libya. I think the radicals were slowly taking over Libya but murder of our Ambassador has not only derailed their takeover attempt, I think the people of Libya are going to kick them out of Libya.

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23 Sep 2012, 6:35 pm

Tequila wrote:

If this is as described, it's good news. That's the kind of Muslim anger we could all do with. Good on the brave people of Benghazi.

If they hadn't usurped Gaddafi, this would never have been an issue. He was the one keeping Al Quaeda out of influence.

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23 Sep 2012, 6:55 pm

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If they hadn't usurped Gaddafi

Feeling a bit nostalgic for the days when he bankrolled the IRA?

Don't tell me you're a Prod, I know that. IRA apologists are forever telling everyone that Wolfe Tone was a Protestant, and that there were Protestant members of the IRA.

Do you sympathise with the Provisional IRA's campaign?

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23 Sep 2012, 7:11 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Tequila wrote:

If this is as described, it's good news. That's the kind of Muslim anger we could all do with. Good on the brave people of Benghazi.

If they hadn't usurped Gaddafi, this would never have been an issue. He was the one keeping Al Quaeda out of influence.

I won't miss him. I think it's a good thing he's gone. It seems like Al Qaeda will be kept out of influence anyway.

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23 Sep 2012, 7:15 pm

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It still is unconstitutional, no where in the constitution does it authorize foreign aid of any sort.

I'm not sure what you mean by a powerful ally, the Libyan government basically has no authority outside of Tripoli. There may be some desire amongst their a portion of the populace to rid themselves of extremists but it's present there for a reason.

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23 Sep 2012, 7:35 pm

I am shocked! shocked! to see that Muslim Libyans cannot made a peaceful government that respects life and property. I am positively flamboozled!

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23 Sep 2012, 7:36 pm

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I am shocked! shocked! to see that Muslim Libyans cannot made a peaceful government that respects life and property. I am positively flamboozled!

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It would be good if they could.

And, TBH, credit where credit's due in the Arab world. Just a shame there is so little to credit.

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