Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

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21 Nov 2012, 9:12 am

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China, dudes, you should do it real wrong not to be the next global leader. US is smoothing the way 8)


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21 Nov 2012, 9:17 am

Do these yokels also teach that the Earth is flat. After all, the Bible mentions the "four corners of the Earth" and an Arch separating the waters above from the waters below. According to the Bible the Earth is like the hallway of a very big Mall. Flat with an arching roof above.

Fortunately science only requires a few of the Talented and their are enough of those.

The U.S. still leads the nations in new patents and many of the technologies that Japan and China have sold successfully have originated Right Here.

Other nations have benefited from U.S. technological originality because the mega-corps have outsource the production based on these technologies to other countries where labor is less expensive.

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21 Nov 2012, 10:28 am

Hope US can keep the scientific and economic level that it had. Nothing worse for Europe that seeing a new global leader that is as far culturally as China.

There's an old chart that shows the relation between religion and per capita income. The big exception is US.

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If religion becomes stronger in US, who knows for how long can US keep being the exception.


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21 Nov 2012, 10:35 am

Most Southerners only grow up learning the Bible-based fairy tales. At least they are getting some minimal exposure to science in Louisiana.



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21 Nov 2012, 12:28 pm

Greb wrote:
Hope US can keep the scientific and economic level that it had. Nothing worse for Europe that seeing a new global leader that is as far culturally as China.

China is becoming a lot more Western, particularly the middle classes. America is moving away from European values and China is moving towards them, so it is quite possible that by the time China takes over in 15 years time (for example) that Europe will have more in common with China than America. Though the lack of democracy in China is a big obstacle.



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21 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Greb wrote:
Hope US can keep the scientific and economic level that it had. Nothing worse for Europe that seeing a new global leader that is as far culturally as China.

China is becoming a lot more Western, particularly the middle classes. America is moving away from European values and China is moving towards them, so it is quite possible that by the time China takes over in 15 years time (for example) that Europe will have more in common with China than America. Though the lack of democracy in China is a big obstacle.


The population of China is about 1.2 Billion. 300,000,000 live in cities and have a life not unlike what most urban Americans have. 900,000,000 are rural peasants. So China is largely NOT like the U.S. or industrial European countries.

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21 Nov 2012, 3:41 pm

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21 Nov 2012, 8:32 pm

Three cheers for Louisiana!

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21 Nov 2012, 8:41 pm

I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


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21 Nov 2012, 8:54 pm

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I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


The machinery for inheritance of characteristics was nailed firmly with the discover of the structure of DNA and RNA. The mechanism of variation was studied (chromosomal cross linking and mutation). Natural selection has been established for micro organisms whose reproductive cycle is short. But the inferential evidence for natural selection for other species is very strong.

The theory of evolution that emerged from the joining of Darwin's idea of natural selection with the mechanisms of descent (RNA and DNA) is extremely well founded. Naturally no human has observed "macro evolution" first hand because our species is too short lived. For most species to have arisen it has taken hundreds of thousand and even millions of years. But there is enough of an "audit trail" with fossils that have survived to be studied to firmly base the the theory.

For microbes evolution has been seen in "real time".

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21 Nov 2012, 8:58 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:12 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. .


Actually, yes.



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21 Nov 2012, 9:16 pm

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Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


What do primitive fairy tales have to do with morality? One could believe fervently in some amalgamation of both of the creation accounts of Genesis, and still be consummately evil. Just look at Rick Perry for Heaven's sake.



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21 Nov 2012, 9:21 pm

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MarketAndChurch wrote:
Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. .


Actually, yes.


What is your explanation for Hindu's who drop one delusional theology for another, say, Christianity, and still put their children through college, live in the suburbs, in a very nice house, and solidly in the middle class on their way to the upper class? What is your response to all the successful yet delusional koreans in silicon valley? You don't see their brilliant IQ's dependent on acceptance and understanding of college-level biology.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:22 pm

My public school taught evolution,here in backwoods Arkansas.
But my family did purchase a children's book set on the bible.
As a child I believed the Bible stories,as an adult I don't.But I do enjoy parts of the bible.
Proverbs,Psalms,Song of Solomon,Ecclesiastes,and the book of Job.And Jesus was an all right fellow.
I don't know if this is accurate but the word for day in Genesis is suppose to be translated as "period of time',This would make more sense.If the earth was created on seven time periods it would be plausible.



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21 Nov 2012, 9:25 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


What do primitive fairy tales have to do with morality? One could believe fervently in some amalgamation of both of the creation accounts of Genesis, and still be consummately evil. Just look at Rick Perry for Heaven's sake.


Belief in Genesis or belief in God is neither here or there.

A communist, a fascist, and a neo nazi in the US all have Obama as their president. Not according to them, obviously, but the POTUS is the POTUS, and knowing that people all share the same POTUS won't tell you an ounce of their beliefs or disbeliefs, or their ethics.


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