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Tequila
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02 Feb 2013, 8:53 am

...for their part in the Holocaust?

Just asking.



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02 Feb 2013, 8:56 am

Tequila wrote:
...for their part in the Holocaust?

Just asking.


Rather few. Pope Pius XII made a deal with the Nazis.

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02 Feb 2013, 9:09 am

Do the Catholics still do that?



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02 Feb 2013, 11:24 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Do the Catholics still do that?

Excommunicate? Or make deals with Nazis?



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02 Feb 2013, 11:31 am

If memory serves me correctly, plenty of SS officers continued their political careers in Western Germany after WW2. What apparently isn't required in politics needn't be forced upon the religious side of life either. I find it rather repulsive that every once in a while there'll be news about yet another 80-year old man who was supposedly involved in signing some documents or whatever and sentenced to another 80 years or whatever, ridiculous and directs society's attention towards things already well in the past.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:35 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Do the Catholics still do that?


Yes, they still do. And did during WW II. My father was excommunicated for being a member of the communist party.

As for collaborators being excommunicated; not many.. I know that members of the Dutch pro-Nazi party were, and John Paul II excommunicated Williamson, Lefebre and the others of the Pius XII fraternity, an ultra orthodox lot that wants the Tridentine rite back and generally thinks that jews are the cause of all evil. But Ratzinger took them back in again in 2009.



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02 Feb 2013, 11:37 am

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But Ratzinger took them back in again in 2009.


Ratzi the...?



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02 Feb 2013, 11:44 am

If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.



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02 Feb 2013, 5:37 pm

Tequila wrote:
NewDawn wrote:
But Ratzinger took them back in again in 2009.


Ratzi the...?


The Panzer Pope. Benny 13.

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02 Feb 2013, 5:46 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.


They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.



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02 Feb 2013, 5:52 pm

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They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.


The day I trust someone who wears a ridiculous hat on his ignorant head is the way I worship Kim Jong-un.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:06 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.


They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.


Maybe so, but the Catholic church isn't the only game in town. Lots of churches are out looking for tithes.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:09 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.


They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.


Maybe so, but the Catholic church isn't the only game in town. Lots of churches are out looking for tithes.


If you're brought up with Catholic dogma and believe it, then tithing to Protestant churches won't 'work' in terms of getting God on your side.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:21 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.


They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.


Maybe so, but the Catholic church isn't the only game in town. Lots of churches are out looking for tithes.


If you're brought up with Catholic dogma and believe it, then tithing to Protestant churches won't 'work' in terms of getting God on your side.


Do Catholics really buy all that crap? Catholics must feel awefully threatened by Protestants.



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02 Feb 2013, 6:25 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
If you've been excommunicated, then you can always join a Protestant church. Typically, the Protestants don't ask any questions. Heck, Henry VIII even started his own Protestant church.


They aren't proper churches as far as the Vatican is concerned.


Maybe so, but the Catholic church isn't the only game in town. Lots of churches are out looking for tithes.


If you're brought up with Catholic dogma and believe it, then tithing to Protestant churches won't 'work' in terms of getting God on your side.


Do Catholics really buy all that crap? Catholics must feel awefully threatened by Protestants.


Most don't buy it consciously, but they 'feel' it nevertheless. Some buy it, and some buy it with extras!



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03 Feb 2013, 3:38 pm

Even recognizing that the hierarchy in Rome, as well as members of it's clergy, had collaborated with the Nazis wasn't officially spoken of till John Paul II. As I understand it, the Vatican still keeps it's files on the infamous Pope Pius of the Nazi era under the proverbial lock and key. That's not to say that there weren't brave Catholics who lost their lives for trying to save Jews and others.
While Protestants in Germany have little better record for opposing Hitler for either inaction or outright support (with the exception of the likes of Niemoller and Bonhoeffer), German Protestants have been publicly flagellating themselves from the end of the war to the present.

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