Would you give up your country to live with guns?

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31 Jan 2013, 3:47 pm

People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I wouldn't. I've considered emigrating, but not for that.

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31 Jan 2013, 3:54 pm

Probably not.

My interest is in sniper rifles, and I probably (1) couldn't afford the rifles I wanted to buy and (2) find a suitable shooting range for my tastes (+1,000 metres) at the same time.

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31 Jan 2013, 4:12 pm

GGPViper wrote:

Probably not.

My interest is in sniper rifles, and I probably (1) couldn't afford the rifles I wanted to buy and (2) find a suitable shooting range for my tastes (+1,000 metres) at the same time.

In many parts of the US, people have houses with enough private land for that, and public land to do that legally without bothering anyone. California and some smaller New England states might object to doing that on public land, but at least on private land in California outside of city limits, you are good to go!

Plus, in the US, many of the rifles in question (minus scope and accessories) can be obtained for as little as the price of a high end gaming computer, and in most states there is no license or registration required. Just fill out the paperwork and get cleared for the dealer to sell to you (there has to be a compelling reason on record to get denied and it usually it only takes a few minutes to get cleared, but in some states you may have to wait a few days to pick it up) and it's yours!

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31 Jan 2013, 4:16 pm

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People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I wouldn't. I've considered emigrating, but not for that.

i would be more likely to emigrate to get away from guns.

sue me, i must be a flower eating hippy.

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31 Jan 2013, 4:22 pm

thomas81 wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I wouldn't. I've considered emigrating, but not for that.

i would be more likely to emigrate to get away from guns.

sue me, i must be a flower eating hippy.

I would be more likely to do that, as well.

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31 Jan 2013, 4:34 pm

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GGPViper wrote:

Probably not.

My interest is in sniper rifles, and I probably (1) couldn't afford the rifles I wanted to buy and (2) find a suitable shooting range for my tastes (+1,000 metres) at the same time.

Well, I paid $ 4,500 for my high end gaming computer. If that's the benchmark, a lot of rifles are cheap...

The rifle I am looking for, though (the L115A3), has a price tag of $ 34,000....

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31 Jan 2013, 4:46 pm

With the high crime rate, I would not live in the US if it meant draconian gun control.

If I lived in a place with a low crime rate, say...Canada, I would not have an issue with gun control.

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31 Jan 2013, 5:08 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I wouldn't. I've considered emigrating, but not for that.

i would be more likely to emigrate to get away from guns.

sue me, i must be a flower eating hippy.

I would be more likely to do that, as well.

I intend to emigrate to a country with what I would consider to be better gun control, and a big part of it is the gun violence I've personally seen in my life or been effected by, I've lost a lot of people. It may or may not be logical but it's what I intend to do either way, I don't want to live my whole life here. It's just too much for me to live with for the duration of my life.

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31 Jan 2013, 7:20 pm

No. I did not grow up with the idea that people might have a gun and would be too naive. I don’t understand it. Let me illustrate that with a story. I visited the USA with a (Welsh) friend of mine in 1981. We bought a camper and toured around the States. We were driving to the Grand Canyon when we saw a hitchhiker with a sign ‘Grand Canyon’. We decided to stop and give him a lift. No big deal in the Netherlands or Wales (in Wales they even ask you if you want a lift). So we pulled over. Then out of the blue a police car came up behind us, overtook us and ordered us to stop. They noticed we were European and were kind enough to explain that taking hitchhikers isn’t allowed. The police officer added that it was dangerous to do so, because ‘he might have a gun’. My friend and I were rather baffled. It never occured to us that someone might have a gun.

That was just one example that made me feel unsafe in the USA. The incessant police car sirens and double lock and triple bolts on our hotel door in New York didn’t help either. I’m not sure if Americans will understand what I am trying to say. My country is very laid back. The most you have to worry about in Amsterdam (city with the highest crime rate) are pickpockets or your bike getting stolen, but you’ll have to visit the city to know what I mean.

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31 Jan 2013, 7:46 pm

NewDawn wrote:

I doubt picking up hitchhikers here is significantly more dangerous than anywhere else, guns or not. America is a very paranoid country and sensationalistic horror stories about hitchhikers have found a permanent place in our collective psyche.

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31 Jan 2013, 7:54 pm

Last I heard, you can own a firearm in almost all countries; the main difference being the amount of red tape that is needed, and some put restrictions on military style arms (smallarmssurvey has a good breakdown). Filling out a form saying you aren't a bad person isn't any different than going through a background check that does the same thing.

I wouldn't move from Oz just so I could own a semi-auto AR-18 (the only military style rifle I have an interest in). I had a chance to too, once.

I can own everything else I'm interested in here (I like collecting WW2-era service rifles, and I like shooting large bore single shots (see: avatar for my H&R .44 Magnum) and .22 rifles -- I also like hunting, though only up close and personal and stalking the game; popping a deer at 200 yards with a scoped rifle ain't my thing), as long as I have the money.

Now, if the government decided that all arms are banned, not just military ones -- I think we'd have more problems that just losing a hobby.

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31 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

GGPViper wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Probably not.

My interest is in sniper rifles, and I probably (1) couldn't afford the rifles I wanted to buy and (2) find a suitable shooting range for my tastes (+1,000 metres) at the same time.

Well, I paid $ 4,500 for my high end gaming computer. If that's the benchmark, a lot of rifles are cheap...

The rifle I am looking for, though (the L115A3), has a price tag of $ 34,000....

There's similar stuff in the $1000 range, though the tolerances aren't as good. Realistically how many people can make a mile and a half shot anyway?
And if .338/8.59mm ammo is too expensive, the .300 Winchester is a popular long range cartridge too!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/76653/Savage+110FCP+338LAP+HSP+STOCK

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/76654/Savage+111LRH+338LAP+AS+AT

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/60958/Savage+110BA+LE+338+LAPUA+DBM

NOTE: Guns may be sold on the internet within the US, but must be shipped to a local dealer for the background check before they are picked up.

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31 Jan 2013, 8:23 pm

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(the L115A3), has a price tag of $ 34,000....

That the Accuracy International bolt gun?

They're around $10,000 here in Oz new (.308 or .338); you can get them a lot cheaper used.

A $1,000 Savage bolt gun will do the same thing though, if it's the function you'd prefer (plus you can get them in the various 6.5mm calibers which are absolutely awesome for 1000 meter events). Savages always do well in the long range matches around these parts too (my uncle rolls with a .25-06 Model 70 bolt gun in them for fun).

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31 Jan 2013, 9:36 pm

No, I won't. Move out of a restrictive state maybe.

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31 Jan 2013, 10:17 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I'll answer the question with a question.

Quote:

People who live in countries which require car registration, would you emigrate for the right to own a car?

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31 Jan 2013, 10:25 pm

Declension wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?

I'll answer the question with a question.

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People who live in countries which require car registration, would you emigrate for the right to own a car?

As I've said before, you don't need any paperwork to own a car, nor any to drive on private land.

Only when you're out in public do you need the paperwork.

Firearms should be treated the same then, right?

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