Did Israel cause genocide on Ethiopians?

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Did Israel violate the Genocide Convention by forcing contraceptives on Ethiopian women?





Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Mon, 01/28/2013 - 23:13



After initial denials, Israel has admitted that medical authorities have been giving Ethiopian women long-term contraceptive drugs and it has been alleged that this was done without the womens’ consent.

If the allegations are proven, this practice may fit the legal definition of genocide.

The government has now ordered clinics not to renew prescriptions for the long-acting injectable contraceptive drug Depo-Provera “for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”

Allegations of coercion and threats

In some cases, the drugs were reportedly administered to women waiting in transit camps for permission to emigrate to Israel. The facts, reported by Haaretz are shocking:


“We said we won’t have the shot. They told us, if you don’t you won’t go to Israel And also you won’t be allowed into the Joint (American Joint Distribution Committee) office, you won’t get aid or medical care. We were afraid… We didn’t have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn’t leave there. So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave,” recounted Emawayish, who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago. She was one of 35 women, whose stories were recorded by Sebba Reuven, that relate how they were coaxed and threatened into agreeing to receive the injectable birth control drug.

Dramatic decline in Ethiopian birthrate

The journalistic investigation was prompted by a precipitious decline in the birth rate among Ethiopian women in Israel:


About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women’s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel’s Ethiopian community.

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"Israel belongs to the white man", said its Interior Minister recently.

The star of david is the new swastika and the crescent is the new star of david.

Apparently, some Israelis figure the color of one's skin determines Jewishness, rather than dedication to Judaism.
As for Netenyahu (or how the hell ever you're supposed to spell his name) and Shamir should recall how their more recent forebears in Europe were viewed as the other in Europe.
Somewhere in the blackness and the stench of sulfur, Adolf Hitler is laughing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hitler regarded the arabs and muslims (albeit as genetically 'inferior') as potential 'allies' against jewry.

Perhaps a case of lesser of 2 evilism. I dont think the Afrika Korps had the interests of arabs first and foremost on their agenda.

A lot of Israels supporters make the leap in deduction that Palestinans identify Hitler as a hero of sorts but whether or not they appreciate the underlying contempt i do not know. Cultural relativism.

Erwin Rommel, who had commanded the Afrika Corps, refused to follow orders to execute captured Jews. Saying of the Nazis, "They soil my uniform," Rommel saw to it that no atrocities were committed under his command. Later, while in charge of the Atlantic coast defenses, Rommel joined the Anti-Nazi resistance after the Mayor of Stuttgart (himself a resistance member) had told him of the concentration camps in the east. When the Staffenberg bomb plot failed, and Rommel's connection to the conspiracy was discovered, Rommel was allowed/ordered to commit suicide, under threat that otherwise, his whole family would die in concentration camps. Hitler sent the biggest wreath at Rommel's funeral.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I understand the thought process, but you can't say the crescent in particular is like what the star of david used to be. Muslims worldwide today are not in the position Jews were in before WWII, they have plenty of states to call their own.

There's no symbol to refer just to Palestinian Arabs, is there?

Also, in this particular case - the Ethiopians affected by this are not going to be Muslim. The point is that they're being racist against Africans, not Muslims in this particular case.

I know it's bad to be racist at all, but this issues is not related to Muslims.

Genocide implies wrongful killing. Who got killed?

If the women do not want to use contraceptives then they can leave.

ruveyn

EUMC Working Definition, point 10.

You're welcome.

You can't really deny you're an anti-Semite now.

As for your 'crescent is the Star of David':

"The Day of Judgement will not come until Muslims fight and kill the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." - related Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, two of the most well-respected and trusted purveyors of the hadiths in Islam.

Oh, and three more videos, all of them showing adults brainwashing small children - little girls - into killing Jews anywhere in the world (not just Israelis). You can't claim these are the minority - they're broadcast on major, mainstream TV channels and this kind of stuff is in Arab school textbooks and Arab Muslims are raised on this hatred from birth (The Protocols is referred to as being a true historical document in Saudi school textbooks, for a start - are the Hitler parallels not getting through to you yet? They would sound loudly and clearly for most people, although perhaps you're beyond caring. Other people who treated the protocols as fact: the Nazis; Russian anti-semites; far-right and neo-Nazi groups - most recently, Golden Dawn in Greece and so on).

Enjoy:

A small child being taught on Saudi television to hate Jews:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo[/youtube]

A famous, mainstream Saudi cleric teaches kids to hate Jews:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpGRBu7mzrg[/youtube]

Part of a children's programme on Gazan (Hamas-owned Al-Aqsa TV) TV, again showing little children to hate Jews and encouraging viewers to follow her example:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDXUZEYUIc[/youtube]

Do note that none of these even have the figleaf of Israel. They're honest enough to say that, like Hitler, their issue is with Jews.

Would you be driven out of your home by people who would annihilate your country and everyone in it if you could ably defend yourself from their attacks?

I don't even need to mention the Muslim Brotherhood leader of Egypt and his comments, not that it really matters much to the OP anyway.

Let me finish with an attack on the EU, which turns over €500m a year of EU taxpayers' money to fund Islamist anti-Semitic incitement, bigotry and racism, Palestinian corruption and terrorism against Israel, the only democratic state in the whole of the Middle East and also one where 56% of Israeli Arabs voted in this last election:



If Israel is so bad, then please ask yourself these questions.

Why Arab citizens of Israel - a majority of Israeli Arabs - voted in the Israeli parliamentary election that was held very recently? And why half of all Israeli Arabs that did vote voted for Zionist parties (probably near 30% of all Israeli Arabs)?

Why Arab citizens of Israel are trusted army officers? Not just Druze, Christians and others but Muslims too?

Why Arab citizens of Israel serve as High Court judges, one of whom was responsible for convicting a former Israeli President of rape?

Why Arab citizens of Israel are popular TV presenters? Why would they be popular celebrities in Israel?

Why Arab citizens of Israel are given equal rights to Jews and their mainly Muslim religious and Arab cultural heritage respected?

Why Arab citizens of Israel are full MPs in the Israeli parliament, the Knesset? And why would Israel allow Arab MPs in the Knesset to call for the destruction of Israel every single bloody week?

Now, can you answer any of these questions without either a) dismissing them out of hand as you usually do by not being able to answer them because your anti-Israel websites don't actually have any good answers to these questions (or mentioning Israeli policy in Judea and Samaria or Gaza); b) mentioning "the Zionists"; c) running away to Hamas-sympathising Electronic Intifada or d) making more anti-Israel or anti-Semitic slurs?

If you thought about this logically, you'd see no reason for your hatred. As with the vast majority of Arabs and Arab culture (and people like xenon13 on here), hatred of Jews is the real problem here. Not Israel. And people like you are helping to fan that hate under the guise of being "anti-Zionist". Hell, even The Guardian realises that it has a problem with anti-Semitism in its coverage of Israel!

The Arab citizens of Israel are treated enormously better than are Jews in any Arab country you could possibly name. If you mention the beleaguered Jewish community in Iran I will die of a massive heart attack due to not being able to take the strain of my laughter.

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And go where? Back to Ethiopia? And why shouldn't they be allowed to have children? Maybe this doesn't fit the definition of genocide, but it definitely is racially based population control, which is evil in it self.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

They aren't Israel's responsibility. Otherwise you'd end up with millions of Africans pulling that trick.

They either refuse immigration to Africans or else they inject them with birth control drugs.

Personally, I find b) very distasteful so I think a) is better.

It might well pour encourager les autres, which can't be a bad thing.

I sympathise with the Ethiopians' plight, but I can't think that the populations of most countries would be happy about poor African immigrants turning up in their country, especially en masse.

Genocide or not, you can't deny it's racist.

They do have a choice.

If they wouldn't do that to other non-Jewish immigrants (who are, say, white or East Asian), then yes, it's definitely racist.

If so, Israel has no excuse, I'm sorry to say. Are these Ethiopians genuine refugees?

Last edited by Tequila on 28 Jan 2013, 9:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Israel-hater is racist when talking about racists. Surprise, surprise.

It's like the different between a turd and a turd with sugar sprinkles on it.