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31 Jan 2013, 7:50 pm

I have been doing some research on what made the recent spree shooters act the way they did. After reading several psyc profiles, it seems that most have a narcissistic view of themselves with a deep desire to show the world what they are capable of, and in return earn infamy. Despite this desire, these murderers ultimately display their cowardly character by attacking easy and defenseless targets. In military terms, these ares would be considered "soft targets", meaning that there is little chance of reprisals. Therefore, what can we do to immediately prevent a future attack from happening? I believe the answer is simple, just remove the target. Look at your own house; do you put a sign out front that says "gun free zone"? Even if you don't own a weapon the answer is undoubtedly no, because it invites disaster. Why then do we place such labels on churches, schools, and some businesses? It seems terrible that we know what the next targets are but choose to do little about it. In my opinion, the best and fastest option is to remove the gun free zone label immediately. In doing so I think, we should implement a policy that in order to carry a weapon on the premises you must first declare and present the weapon to staff. Likewise, if you fail to check in the weapon you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. In essence we keep a zero tolerances policy for weapons at these locations, while at the same time we remove the location from a " soft target list". What are your ideas, opinions, and suggestions?



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31 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

Greater attention and better access to mental health care. Figure out a way to spot callous unemotional children and give them and their parents education and tools so they grow up to become benign, productive memebers of society, and paying attention to every other mental ailment as well, to prevent people from becoming a threat to themselves and to others.



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31 Jan 2013, 8:10 pm

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31 Jan 2013, 8:14 pm

Gosh, what awful ideas. I don't mean to be jerky, though. It is not easy to see the problem. But here is the problem :

You need to fix a sick society.

This is not going to happen. Don't tell me this society is not sick or that it's always been sick. In just the past fifteen years, it has sunk greatly. But it will not be fixed. Expect the decline to continue.

These events are very sad and very sick but they cannot be stopped with band-aids or even bazooka solutions. The society is very sick. G



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31 Jan 2013, 8:23 pm

hadapurpura wrote:
Greater attention and better access to mental health care. Figure out a way to spot callous unemotional children and give them and their parents education and tools so they grow up to become benign, productive memebers of society, and paying attention to every other mental ailment as well, to prevent people from becoming a threat to themselves and to others.


The following was seen scrawled on a wall in the New York subway: Support mental health or I will kill again....

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31 Jan 2013, 8:23 pm

Violent crime (with or without guns) is a symptom of much bigger social problems. Making hard targets and improving mental health treatment and education is a start, but we also need to do something about providing better education and job opportunities in impoverished areas. What to do about bad parenting is another issue-especially in the inner city areas. That doesn't have any readily available solutions. Faith-based and other nonprofit groups are needed to help and coordinate their effors to provide a wide variety of support groups and positive influences in the community.

Everyone wants violent crime to stop. It is currently at or near historic lows in most states but it will take time to make further progress on the matter. It took a couple generations for the problems to become what they did and it will take at least a generation to see any positive changes. Enacting and enforcing new gun control laws is time consuming, polarizing, and costs huge amounts of approval ratings to get passed, and it's expensive and ineffective to enforce. We have been trying that approach for 44 years now and we have nothing to show for it. With the exception of recruiting and coordinating nonprofit groups to be active in community, the other suggestions cost a bit of money. However, budget debates, while a touchy subject, are generally less divisive and destructive to political careers and easier to implement than gun control.


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31 Jan 2013, 8:30 pm

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31 Jan 2013, 8:43 pm

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Gosh, what awful ideas.
Unfortunatly, your method will take a lot of time. I am not saying its wrong, but I am talking about stopping the shooting that could happen
tomorrow. I am positive that the gun free zone title is not helping, In fact, it seems to be an invitation.



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31 Jan 2013, 8:55 pm

How about we construct massive complexes in which to house anyone unusual and monitor these ticking time-bombs 24/7. Render these locations more secure than Fort Knox, ensure the inhabitants are heavily medicated ("doped up") and implant tracking devices in all the inhabitants. :twisted:



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31 Jan 2013, 9:17 pm

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How about we construct massive complexes in which to house anyone unusual and monitor these ticking time-bombs 24/7. Render these locations more secure than Fort Knox, ensure the inhabitants are heavily medicated ("doped up") and implant tracking devices

Ach so! Ein Deutscher antwort.



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31 Jan 2013, 9:23 pm

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How about we construct massive complexes in which to house anyone unusual and monitor these ticking time-bombs 24/7. Render these locations more secure than Fort Knox, ensure the inhabitants are heavily medicated ("doped up") and implant tracking devices

Ach so! Ein Deutscher antwort.



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31 Jan 2013, 9:24 pm

Somehow we need to remove the stigma of mental health care. That will take time, though. Also, once a person has been rehabilitated they need to have their slate wiped clean. No one want's a mental health history following them around and the fear of that alone will undoubtedly deter some from getting mental health treatment. It goes back to the stigma thing I mentioned at the beginning.

Yes, soft targets are an issue. Any person or place that appears soft is more likely to draw the attention of a predator. I wouldn't just remove the "gun free zone" signs but the "gun free" policy or law all together. If someone has a carry permit then that should be good enough and no further hand wringing over it is necessary. As many carry permits as there are in circulation how many of those people have resorted to massacre?
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31 Jan 2013, 9:25 pm

You don't see many massacres at police stations and shooting ranges.

Must be a coincidence. :P



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31 Jan 2013, 9:26 pm

CyborgUprising wrote:
How about we construct massive complexes in which to house anyone unusual and monitor these ticking time-bombs 24/7. Render these locations more secure than Fort Knox, ensure the inhabitants are heavily medicated ("doped up") and implant tracking devices in all the inhabitants. :twisted:


Why stop there?


"Dont fear guns-fear maniacs!"- thats what gun apologist say.
So the solution is not to control guns but to directly control people.


Gun apologists want the government to monitor each citizen 24/7 so we can id the potential maniacs -and intercept them ahead of time.

In practical terms that would only means turning the whole USA into a worse police state than north korea!

But that would be a small price to pay -wouldnt it?

Take away everyones freedom- so we can protect the freedom of the few- to own assault rifles!

Have the government enslave us all in order to- get the government off the backs of gun owners!

Thats the solution they are asking for!

Makes sense to me!

i would happily live in a prison-just so a few folks i dont know can be allowed to have 30 bullet clips on their expensive useless toys!



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31 Jan 2013, 9:56 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
CyborgUprising wrote:
How about we construct massive complexes in which to house anyone unusual and monitor these ticking time-bombs 24/7. Render these locations more secure than Fort Knox, ensure the inhabitants are heavily medicated ("doped up") and implant tracking devices in all the inhabitants. :twisted:


Why stop there?


"Dont fear guns-fear maniacs!"- thats what gun apologist say.
So the solution is not to control guns but to directly control people.


Gun apologists want the government to monitor each citizen 24/7 so we can id the potential maniacs -and intercept them ahead of time.

In practical terms that would only means turning the whole USA into a worse police state than north korea!

But that would be a small price to pay -wouldnt it?

Take away everyones freedom- so we can protect the freedom of the few- to own assault rifles!

Have the government enslave us all in order to- get the government off the backs of gun owners!

Thats the solution they are asking for!

Makes sense to me!

i would happily live in a prison-just so a few folks i dont know can be allowed to have 30 bullet clips on their expensive useless toys!

That's on helluva red herring!


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31 Jan 2013, 10:15 pm

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That's on helluva red herring!


I think the fish is suppose to smell.