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pawelk1986
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01 Apr 2013, 8:23 am

I do not think it will be a war.

In my opinion the world's media exaggerate the whole thing, or at least I hope so:-)



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01 Apr 2013, 8:29 am

No.

The media has nothing better to talk about. The US Budget wars are at a lull while we wait for political impacts, if any, from the Sequester, the HRC picked a pope, and writing about the breakout of the Euro is difficult.


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01 Apr 2013, 8:44 am

he is young and has inherited the ability to cause a nuclear war. he is playing with his new found power but i am sure he is smart enough to know that it would be a suicidal activity to actually play the game in seriousness.

he will not act on his rhetoric and he will rejoice in making the americans mobilize their forces, and he will be happy to simply cause a major cost with reference to america reassigning their might in his area.. he is playing a fun game. america will never strike first,

i kind of like him. he is playing a serious game but i am sure he is not suicidal.



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01 Apr 2013, 9:06 am

b9 wrote:

i kind of like him. he is playing a serious game but i am sure he is not suicidal.


You like him, he's crazy commie with a big ego, the world would be better off without him.

Moreover, North Korea state system, has not much to do with real communism, understood as the common ownership of the means of production. It is more a "communist monarchy" something like a "constitutional monarchy" without a constitution :D



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01 Apr 2013, 9:18 am

[quote="pawelk1986"

Moreover, North Korea state system, has not much to do with real communism, understood as the common ownership of the means of production. It is more a "communist monarchy" something like a "constitutional monarchy" without a constitution :D[/quote]

"Real Communism" always ends up producing a tyranny. Have you ever wondered why?

No matter how hard the theoretical types try to bring on the Communist Age of Wonderful the thugs and the murderers alway end up in power. Have you ever wondered why?

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01 Apr 2013, 9:27 am

The common ownership of means of production... hence the common ownership of products... hence the abandonment of individual property rights.

I've never understood why people thought communism would make people equal. A political system where everything you produce is gathered up and taken control of by the state. What you get back is what the state is nice enough to ration for you. You're tied to the land, because the state tells you where your house is. We had a functioning system of Communism in Europe for a thousand years. We just called it feudal serfdom. Just like communism make public "servants" a higher class by default, we had nobles. We decided we didn't much care for it, as I remember it.

North Korea knows it would lose Chinese support if it made any real moves, and while it would give SK a decent kicking, the world would come down on them like the wrath of God. We've just been waiting for a reason. So they won't give us one.



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01 Apr 2013, 9:49 am

he is just playing a game with the rest of the world because he can.
he is not psychotic,
it is actually rather amusing to me.
i almost like him. he is playing a powerful and dangerous game.
nothing will happen i am sure because he is sane and he is only playing a game with the rest of the world.



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01 Apr 2013, 10:03 am

If anyone gets a war on it would probably be America



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01 Apr 2013, 12:54 pm

I wonder what would be happened if USA would nuke'm North Korea :D



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01 Apr 2013, 1:09 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
I wonder what would be happened if USA would nuke'm North Korea :D

Likely, tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent people would die...



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01 Apr 2013, 1:22 pm

Here we have a country of some 25,000,000 people that can make the greatest economic powers dance to its tune. China, Japan and the United States are all on tenterhooks because Kim III has nuclear capability, and is an unknown quantity.

What does Kim (and the North Korean establishment) want? The South? Don't be ridiculous. That's a revolution in the making. Introducing South Koreans into their carefully controlled and hermetically sealed nation would introduce elements of free thought and dissatisfaction that would be intolerable. They have trouble enough keeping a lid on things without adding South Koreans to the mix.

What they want is to retain power. How do they retain power? First by making it impossible, or impractical for any greater force to displace them. So long as they don't upset the anthill, the Chinese will not come down on them like a ton of bricks. Second, they do it by keeping their population fed and busy. Busy is easy. Fed is hard.

And that's where the answer lies. North Korea wants food, and it wants trade--but trade on its terms. By persistently rattling its cage, it keeps things in a sufficient state of upheaval, that her neighbors, Japan and the US are all brought into a discussion about how to placate her.

There's the realpolitik--as I see it--in a nutshell. She wants to be fed, and she wants to be left alone.


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01 Apr 2013, 2:14 pm

I think its important to note that North Korea didn't begin this latest round of sabre rattling until American B2 bombers were practicing dummy bombing runs in South Korean airspace.

Who is the real provocateur?

The reason the USA behaves in such a cavalier manner is that (bar Pearl Harbour) it has never experienced for itself the horrible consequences of total war. Sometimes I feel it might not be the worst thing if someone actually did put a couple of mushroom clouds over their soil, it might take their arrogance down a notch or two.


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01 Apr 2013, 2:29 pm

thomas81 wrote:
I think its important to note that North Korea didn't begin this latest round of sabre rattling until American B2 bombers were practicing dummy bombing runs in South Korean airspace.

Who is the real provocateur?


I think its important to note that you are completely and utterly making that up - not unlike most of your anti-Israeli rants.

A few key events, sourced from http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/30 ... ng-threats

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March 5: North Korea says it will scrap armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War.

March 7: North Korea threatens a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike against the United States and South Korea.

March 8: North Korea announces the voiding of non-aggression pacts with South Korea and severs a government hotline with Seoul. Kim Jong-Un tours frontline island units and vows "all-out war".

(you'll note by this point the North Koreans have threatened all out nuclear war)
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March 11: South Korea and US launch annual "Key Resolve" joint military exercise. (this is the exercise that B-52's participated in)

March 19: US publicizes flights by nuclear-capable B-52 bombers over South Korea as part of "Foal Eagle" exercise.

March 21: North Korean army threatens strikes against US military bases in Japan and Guam in response to B-52 flights.

Also March 26 : North Korea's military puts its "strategic" rocket units on a war footing, with fresh threat to strike targets on the US mainland, Hawaii and Guam and South Korea.

(note: everything above this happened before B-2's ever entered the picture)

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March 28: The United States deploys two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers on "deterrence" missions over South Korea. Hagel says US ready for "any eventuality."

March 29: Kim Jong-Un, vowing to "settle accounts," orders missile units to prepare to strike US mainland and military bases in the Pacific.

March 30: North Korea declares it had entered into a "state of war" with South Korea


So yeah, the North Koreans were perfectly cool, calm and collected, minding their own business before the B-2's showed up over South Korean. :roll:



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01 Apr 2013, 2:36 pm

Well, that's the American/ROK version of events.

http://www.nknews.org/2013/03/north-kor ... ar-strike/

NK news wrote:
WASHINGTON D.C. – North Korea today warned that Japan would “not be exempt” from a pre-emptive nuclear strike, following announcements by the U.S. government that it was expanding its own missile defense systems in the region.


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01 Apr 2013, 2:45 pm

I think whats also important is that America is using North Korea's recent nuclear advancements as an excuse to build up its military foothold in asia not as a deterrence against North Korea, but against China and Russia.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-th ... ic/5327071

global research wrote:
Hagel seized on North Korea’s nuclear test last month and its satellite launch in December as the pretext for the expansion of US anti-ballistic missile systems. “North Korea, in particular, has recently made advances in its capabilities and has engaged in a series of irresponsible and reckless provocations,” he said.

These comments are completely cynical. The Obama administration is exploiting North Korea’s limited nuclear and missile capability to justify the build-up of sophisticated anti-missile systems throughout the Asia Pacific region that are aimed primarily at countering China’s nuclear arsenal.


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01 Apr 2013, 3:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:

Moreover, North Korea state system, has not much to do with real communism, understood as the common ownership of the means of production. It is more a "communist monarchy" something like a "constitutional monarchy" without a constitution :D


"Real Communism" always ends up producing a tyranny. Have you ever wondered why?

No matter how hard the theoretical types try to bring on the Communist Age of Wonderful the thugs and the murderers alway end up in power. Have you ever wondered why?

ruveyn

Vanguard parties produce tyranny. They have nothing to do with the real communism that happened in Spain. Anarcho-syndicalism is the real path to communism.



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