Difficulty believing we live in the last days? Watch this!
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kxmode
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Joined: 14 Oct 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,613
Location: In your neighborhood, knocking on your door. :)
(2 Peter 3:3-4) Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Believe it or not even you are fulfilling bible prophecy with your words.
Just because some 2000+ year old book says something, doesn't make it so.
The same book says the earth was made in six days, is 5773 years old and Rosh Hashanah Is Adam's birthday.
However, geological evidence indicates that the earth is billions of years old.
And of course the old time religious wingnuts predicted 'scoffers'. There have always been scoffers. We scoffers use reason, logic, empirical evidence and science, not faith based on hearsay just because some guy who dresses funny says so.
(2 Peter 3:3-4) Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Believe it or not even you are fulfilling bible prophecy with your words.
This is classical conspiracy thinking, a pre-emptive attack on people who critisize your theory. It's also not very difficult to predict critisism when the theory is looney.
This guy has been brainwashed by a sect. Showing aggresivity to him only will make him to take shelter in his sect and feel that the whole world is against them because they have some truth or whatever.
He is too emotionally involved to see be able to see it in a cold and objective way. Aggressions just will make him even more emotionally involved and more dependent on the sect.
He's a person to be helped, not to be fighted.
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(2 Peter 3:3-4) Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Believe it or not even you are fulfilling bible prophecy with your words.
What choice does that give me then? If I scoff and follow my own evil desires, then I'm fulfilling prophecy. If I join the cult and start distributing Watchtower door-to-door, then I'm also fulfilling prophecy.
It is hardly prophecy that normal people are going to scoff at a cult's bizarre claims. Give us a prophecy that will happen later this year. And not just something obvious, like "July is going to be warmer than April."
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Deuteronomy 18:20–22 prescribed the death penalty if a prophet’s prediction failed, regardless of the reason...
1874 (??/??) The end of the world according to Charles Taze Russell. This was to become the first in a long string of failed doomsday prophecies by him and members of his group. (Gould p.50, Kyle p.93)
1875 (to 1880) Charles Taze Russell forms the "Zion's Watchtower Bible and Tract Society", and the "Bible Student Movement", later to become the Jehovah's Witnesses.
1878 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1879 (07/01) Charles Taze Russell on July 1, 1879 publishes the first issue of "Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence", with the stated purpose of drawing attention to Russell's belief that people of the time were "living "in the last days" "the day of the Lord"—"the end" of the Gospel age," and that "the dawn of the "new" age are facts, not only discernible by the close student of the Word, led by the spirit, but the outward signs recognizable by the world bear the same testimony.
1881 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1908 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society change the name of their periodical to "The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence".
1910 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1914 (??/??) Charles Russell, founder of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, predicts the return of Jesus Christ in this year.
1914 (??/??) End of World; Charles T. Russel, Jehovah's Witnesses; later explained that Michael (e.g., Jesus) had defeated Satan in heaven.
1914 (??/??) Jesus invisible and quiet return to the Earth, according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Jehovah's Witnesses, Book: This Means Everlasting Life, page 221) "So A.D. 1914 marks the time of Christ's invisible return in spirit." Explained after they said he would return in 1914
1914 (??/??) was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date.
1914 (10/01) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. In fact, they viewed World War I as the Battle of Armageddon, even though none of the battles of WWI took place anywhere near Armageddon. (Skinner p.102)
1915 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race.
1918 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race.
1918 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1918 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the return of Jesus Christ.
1920 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race.
1920 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the return of Jesus Christ.
1925 (??/??) Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race. The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year."
1925 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1925 (??/??) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the return of Jesus Christ. They already possessed the title of most wrong predictions. They would expand upon it in the years to come.
1931 (??/??) The name Jehovah's Witness, based on Isaiah 43:10–12, is formally adopted by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to distinguish themselves from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions.
1941 (??/??) Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race.
1941 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Jehovah's Witnesses. (Shaw p.72)
1941 (??/??) The Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the return of Jesus Christ.
1975 (??/??) Armageddon, 1975; Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society; (Various publication, cited in Newsweek Oct. 15, 1984)
1975 (??/??) Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." They believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed. The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely 6000 years after the creation of Eve. There is no way of knowing when this happened.
1975 (??/??) The end of the world according to the Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Kyle p.93)
1975 (??/??) The Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the return of Jesus Christ. 1975 looked likely as it was computed as the 6000th anniversary of the creation of Adam in the Garden of Eden in 4026 BCE.
1975 (??/??) The Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society were back at it in 1975. The failure of the forecast did not affect the growth of the movement. The Watchtower magazine, a major Witness periodical, has over 13 million subscribers.
1984 (??/??) The Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society made sure in 1984 that no one else would be able to top their record of most wrong doomsday predictions. The Witnesses record is currently holding at nine. The years are: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984. Lately, the JW's are claiming they're out of the prediction business, but it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. They'll be back.
1984 (10/02) The end of the world according to the Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Shermer p.203, Kyle p.91)
1994 (??/??) After promising themselves they would not make any more end time predictions, the Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society fell off the wagon and proclaimed 1994 as the conclusion of an 80 year generation - the year 1914 was the starting point.
1994 (??/??) Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race.
1995 (11/??) "Armageddon Delayed!" In early November 1995 Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society made newspaper headlines around the world. This time it was not a record crowd at a stadium convention or even a controversial blood transfusion case that attracted international attention, but the postponement of the End. One headline read: "Armageddon Not Coming" and the related article stated that Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society had announced that "Armageddon [had] been delayed and [that] the end of the world [was] no longer nigh." (Victoria Times-Colonist, Sunday 12 November 1995, p. A2) click here for full details
1999 (??/??) End of the world according to the Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. (Skinner p.102, Mann p.xiii)
2001 (01/01) Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society predicts the start of the War of Armageddon - the destruction, by the forces of nature, divided humankind, and angels of God, of all non-JW people and property. This implies the death of over 99% of the human race by 2000 AD.
... so why have the members of the Jehovah's Witness / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society not risen up against their leaders and deposed them?
The Jehovah's Witnesses / Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is spreading doomsday myths, because believing in myths allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY[/youtube]
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
There are probably 8 million JW's out there; they believe 144,000 of them will sit beside God and rule the universe after judgement day; so... what happens to the millions of them besides the 144,000...?
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
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