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19 Apr 2013, 11:51 am

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  • Iceland is determined to outlaw the world’s oldest business. Can it succeed?
ULTRA-LIBERAL Iceland wants to ban online pornography. It is just the latest step in its attempts to eliminate the sex industry entirely. In 2009 it introduced fines and jail terms for those who patronise prostitutes (whom it treats as victims). In 2010 it outlawed strip clubs. In February the government decided to take on the glut of smut online and floated the idea of banning violent or degrading pornography, which some Icelanders take to mean most of it. No country has yet wholly succeeded in controlling commercial sex, either through legalisation or criminalisation. But all over the world, particularly in rich democracies, policymakers are watching to see whether Iceland succeeds—and may follow in its footsteps if it does.

Iceland’s proposal is in its early stages and may lose momentum after an election on April 27th, which the government is expected to lose. But its plan puts it in some odd company. Saudi Arabia similarly bans strip clubs, prostitution and pornography. But it also stops women from driving, forbids them from travelling without a man’s permission and restricts their right to vote. In the World Economic Forum’s 2012 Global Gender Gap report, which compares progress in 135 countries towards sex equality, Saudi Arabia ranked 131st.

Iceland, however, is determinedly pro-women. Half the cabinet and 25 of the 63 members of Iceland’s parliament are female. The country is run by the world’s only openly lesbian prime minister. Iceland is also pro-sex. Its supermarkets sell condoms and mini-vibrators next to checkouts. A new sex-education film informs teenagers that sex should be something they want to do again and again, and then maybe again. Some 65% of Icelandic children are born outside marriage, more than any other country in the OECD. Same-sex marriage has been legal since 2010 and gays and lesbians can adopt children. Icelandair ran a campaign featuring the tagline, “Fancy a dirty weekend in Iceland?”


I hope the Independence Party will sweep to power and put an end to all this nonsense. Frankly, Iceland should have legalised pornography a long time ago. That it hasn't done this strikes me as being very antiquated and hypocritical.



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19 Apr 2013, 11:58 am

It's weird how ultra-feminism bends towards ultra-social conservatism.



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19 Apr 2013, 11:59 am

Jacoby wrote:
It's weird how ultra-feminism bends towards ultra-social conservatism.


One could say that this very puritanical form of feminism, the shrieking killjoy kind, has always been there.



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19 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Tequila wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's weird how ultra-feminism bends towards ultra-social conservatism.


One could say that this very puritanical form of feminism, the shrieking killjoy kind, has always been there.


Women's suffragists were a key part of the Temperance movement in the United States that led to prohibition.



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19 Apr 2013, 12:59 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's weird how ultra-feminism bends towards ultra-social conservatism.


One could say that this very puritanical form of feminism, the shrieking killjoy kind, has always been there.


Women's suffragists were a key part of the Temperance movement in the United States that led to prohibition.


Killjoy is right. I remember hearing about this one old woman who went around saloons smashing up liquor bottles because God told her to.



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19 Apr 2013, 1:07 pm

CSBurks wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's weird how ultra-feminism bends towards ultra-social conservatism.
One could say that this very puritanical form of feminism, the shrieking killjoy kind, has always been there.
Women's suffragists were a key part of the Temperance movement in the United States that led to prohibition.
Killjoy is right. I remember hearing about this one old woman who went around saloons smashing up liquor bottles because God told her to.

Carrie Nation

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Carrie Amelia Moore Nation (November 25, 1846 – June 9, 1911) was a radical member of the temperance movement, which opposed alcohol in pre-Prohibition America. She is particularly noteworthy for promoting her viewpoint through vandalism. Nation frequently attacked the property of alcohol-serving establishments (most often taverns) with a hatchet. Recently, Nation's behavior has inspired fiction writers as well as an opera composer.

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Nation was a relatively large woman, almost 6 feet (180 cm) tall and weighing 175 pounds (79 kg), with a stern countenance[citation needed]. She described herself as "a bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what He doesn't like," and claimed a divine ordination to promote temperance by destroying bars ... Alone or accompanied by hymn-singing women she would march into a bar, and sing and pray while smashing bar fixtures and stock with a hatchet. Her actions often did not include other people, just herself. Between 1900 and 1910 she was arrested some 30 times for "hatchetations," as she came to call them. Nation paid her jail fines from lecture-tour fees and sales of souvenir hatchets.

A real sweetheart, wasn't she?

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19 Apr 2013, 5:59 pm

Tequila wrote:
Icelandair ran a campaign featuring the tagline, “Fancy a dirty weekend in Iceland?”


I don't quite get the tagline. No pornography, no executive ejaculatory administrators. Iceland will be as clean as an iceberg. What is Icelandair proposing that people do during this dirty weekend?



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19 Apr 2013, 6:23 pm

And what if it does work? After all we don't really have (unlike prohibition) much many data on what happens when porn is banned.


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19 Apr 2013, 6:36 pm

How the hell can it work, regardless of your take on whether it is desirable? are they going to block all filelocker sites, filter google results, and inspect people's computers to make sure they aren't using Tor? :roll:


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20 Apr 2013, 1:51 am

Define "work", is this context.


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20 Apr 2013, 3:49 am

duncvis wrote:
How the hell can it work, regardless of your take on whether it is desirable? are they going to block all filelocker sites, filter google results, and inspect people's computers to make sure they aren't using Tor? :roll:


I don't think the porn side of it has a chance, to be honest with you. Frankly, this kind of nonsense from the Social Democratic Alliance is embarrassing and belongs several centuries back. Both political parties have not done anything about the ludicrous and hypocritical situation Iceland has with porn. Like the beer ban, it's time that Iceland comes into the modern world.

The prostitution side of it may have much more chance of being repressed - Iceland looks like it's a small country where, if not quite everyone knows of everyone else, it's small enough to be managed.



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20 Apr 2013, 4:20 am

Dox47 wrote:
Define "work", is this context.


By work, I mean 'is it actually practical to enforce and police', as opposed to 'will it have the social benefit they are aiming for', which I sincerely doubt anyway.

And yes, considering the small scale of Icelandic society the prostitution side may be enforceable without too much difficulty. It was really the internets control I was facepalming at, talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. And missing.


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20 Apr 2013, 5:05 am

I wonder that, if this prostitution ban gets passed, the reasonably well-off Icelanders won't simply fly to the UK or to Denmark as a matter of course (that's if they're not doing that already). It will the less well-off Icelandic punters and working girls - who can't afford special protection - that will suffer.

I can imagine that it gives the local police and other influential people an excuse to lean on/exploit any people that still want to work and to supply a service.



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20 Apr 2013, 5:21 am

Their prime minister is an old trout who probably went through bed death years ago. I sincerely wish her the best of luck in her attempts to interfere with guys fapping and visiting entertainment ladies. :roll:



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20 Apr 2013, 5:33 am

IDontGetIt wrote:
Their prime minister is an old trout who probably went through bed death years ago. I sincerely wish her the best of luck in her attempts to interfere with guys fapping and visiting entertainment ladies. :roll:


On this we can agree on.

What you won't agree on is this statement:

Roll on an Independence victory. :D



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20 Apr 2013, 6:03 am

Tequila wrote:
IDontGetIt wrote:
Their prime minister is an old trout who probably went through bed death years ago. I sincerely wish her the best of luck in her attempts to interfere with guys fapping and visiting entertainment ladies. :roll:


On this we can agree on.

What you won't agree on is this statement:

Roll on an Independence victory. :D

Are you going on about ukip again? :lol: