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20 May 2013, 7:48 am

I recently read in a newspaper that being abnormal is now... normal.

I am quite worried about this. Because being abnormal gives you some privileges and exemptions from certain duties because you cannot fulfill them.
Like conscription.

Now that being abnormal is considered normal, it means that there are no privileges and no exemptions. Being schizophrenic or autistic is no longer an excuse for
not being conscripted.



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20 May 2013, 8:25 am

There is a range of what is considered "normal". No one is exactly normal. However, it is one thing to be abnormal, and another to be disordered. To be disordered, your behavior must be considered deviant, distressful, and disfunctional. To be abnormal, you only need to be deviant.



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20 May 2013, 9:34 am

PsychoSarah wrote:
There is a range of what is considered "normal". No one is exactly normal. However, it is one thing to be abnormal, and another to be disordered. To be disordered, your behavior must be considered deviant, distressful, and disfunctional. To be abnormal, you only need to be deviant.


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20 May 2013, 10:05 am

By saying that there exists no average people, you are also legitimizing treating everyone equally, despite their differences, because everyone is different and nobody are average, thus everybody must be equal.

I had a teacher once who refused to recognize my problems caused by my AS. BECAUSE of his belief that "everyone are different anyway, so its no big deal when someone claims to be different".

That is why I want people to listen to me and get back to the normality treatment, and treat different people different.

In other words: Clarify the diagnostic criteria. Don't abolish it.



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20 May 2013, 12:51 pm

Distressful and disfunctional symptoms, which reduce quality of life, are what separates this from being simply different.



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20 May 2013, 1:18 pm

logician wrote:
By saying that there exists no average people, you are also legitimizing treating everyone equally, despite their differences, because everyone is different and nobody are average, thus everybody must be equal.

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On the contrary. It is a basis for treating people on a case by case basis precisely because no two are the same.

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20 May 2013, 3:48 pm

Being "normal" in the sense of being free of any dysfunctions, and being 'normal' in the sense of being 'like most people' are two different things.

I dont think there was ever a time when both 'normals' were the same.

Most people have always been atleast neurotic, if not had somekind of neurological issues, or had substence abuse issues, or what have you.

So its never been the norm to be 'normal'. But no one form of dysfunction is the majority. Austistic are the minority, and alcholics are the minority,and so on. So its 'normal' to not have any one of those types of issues. But its probably not 'normal' to be completely free of any of them.



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20 May 2013, 6:04 pm

Thinking of yourself as abnormal is normal.



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20 May 2013, 10:09 pm

logician wrote:
I recently read in a newspaper that being abnormal is now... normal.

I am quite worried about this. Because being abnormal gives you some privileges and exemptions from certain duties because you cannot fulfill them.
Like conscription.

Now that being abnormal is considered normal, it means that there are no privileges and no exemptions. Being schizophrenic or autistic is no longer an excuse for
not being conscripted.


If you live in the United States there is no draft.
If they start one then oh well, join up and choose your MOS before they choose it for you.
I really don't know why some of us think they should be privileged. :roll:


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21 May 2013, 1:56 am

Raptor wrote:
logician wrote:
I recently read in a newspaper that being abnormal is now... normal.

I am quite worried about this. Because being abnormal gives you some privileges and exemptions from certain duties because you cannot fulfill them.
Like conscription.

Now that being abnormal is considered normal, it means that there are no privileges and no exemptions. Being schizophrenic or autistic is no longer an excuse for
not being conscripted.


If you live in the United States there is no draft.
If they start one then oh well, join up and choose your MOS before they choose it for you.
I really don't know why some of us think they should be privileged. :roll:


I know I can't do military service. I can't even work.
That's why I should be exempted (I don't live in US).



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21 May 2013, 3:03 am

I wonder if this is a result of the anti-bullying campaign. That is, more people are taught to be more accepting to the odd man (or woman) out.

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21 May 2013, 9:23 am

logician wrote:
Raptor wrote:
logician wrote:
I recently read in a newspaper that being abnormal is now... normal.

I am quite worried about this. Because being abnormal gives you some privileges and exemptions from certain duties because you cannot fulfill them.
Like conscription.

Now that being abnormal is considered normal, it means that there are no privileges and no exemptions. Being schizophrenic or autistic is no longer an excuse for
not being conscripted.


If you live in the United States there is no draft.
If they start one then oh well, join up and choose your MOS before they choose it for you.
I really don't know why some of us think they should be privileged. :roll:


I know I can't do military service. I can't even work.
That's why I should be exempted (I don't live in US).


Exempt from things you aren't capable of makes sense, but not so sure about privileges I certainly don't want special privileges for my differences....but yeah I think its reasonable to be exempt from things your condition prevents you from doing. Such as holding a job if that is the case, and if one is too dysfunctional for a job I imagine the military wouldn't work out either.


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21 May 2013, 11:21 am

Raptor wrote:
logician wrote:
I recently read in a newspaper that being abnormal is now... normal.

I am quite worried about this. Because being abnormal gives you some privileges and exemptions from certain duties because you cannot fulfill them.
Like conscription.

If you live in the United States there is no draft.
If they start one then oh well, join up and choose your MOS before they choose it for you.
I really don't know why some of us think they should be privileged. :roll:


I don't look at it as a privelage. I couldn't serve because of the fact that I cannot function without medication (a situation that applies to many people on this site). Since a person in war cannot reliably get medications, they can't be drafted, because they are at such a high risk of harming themselves and the people they work with.



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21 May 2013, 11:23 am

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I don't look at it as a privelage. I couldn't serve because of the fact that I cannot function without medication (a situation that applies to many people on this site). Since a person in war cannot reliably get medications, they can't be drafted, because they are at such a high risk of harming themselves and the people they work with.


That is true, not to mention some people still aren't functional enough even with their medication.


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21 May 2013, 11:27 am

Certainly, a person could not view some things, such as handicap parking, as a privelage, when one considers the fact that a lot of people who have that option can barely get into buildings even from a short distance.



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21 May 2013, 11:56 am

I consider handicap parking to be a reasonable accommodation not a special privilege.


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