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10 Jun 2013, 11:26 pm

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013 ... tails.html

Well, this article on the National Household Survey in Canada points out some interesting demographic shifts. It's a bit old, but probably interesting nonetheless.

Canada is becoming more multiethnic and more secular. Somewhat distinctly from the US situation, it also seems that aboriginal peoples are having a baby boom in such a s way that's somewhat noticeable to the rest of Canada (the share that aboriginals make up of Canada's population is four times that of their share of the US population).

I guess these trends sorta explain why the Harper CONs have fixated so much on microtargeting as well as the resonance the backlash to their legislation in regards to First Nations has generated.


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11 Jun 2013, 3:13 pm

That's interesting about Canada's native population, I was under the impression that they faced a lot of the same struggles as their cousins to the south which granted I don't know if they're growing or shrinking but their lifestyle certainly doesn't seem it would lend itself to a population boom.



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11 Jun 2013, 3:25 pm

Jacoby wrote:
That's interesting about Canada's native population, I was under the impression that they faced a lot of the same struggles as their cousins to the south which granted I don't know if they're growing or shrinking but their lifestyle certainly doesn't seem it would lend itself to a population boom.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... e11778399/

I know some members of my family, from the paternal, aboriginal (Dene) side who're middle class professionals. They have 4 children. It's not an uncommon situation.

StatsCan has some more highlights.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011 ... 01-eng.cfm

StatsCan wrote:
[*]New data from the National Household Survey (NHS) show that 1,400,685 people had an Aboriginal identity in 2011, representing 4.3% of the total Canadian population. Aboriginal people accounted for 3.8% of the population enumerated in the 2006 Census, 3.3% in the 2001 Census and 2.8% in the 1996 Census.

[*]The Aboriginal population increased by 232,385 people, or 20.1% between 2006 and 2011, compared with 5.2% for the non-Aboriginal population.

[*]The largest numbers of Aboriginal people lived in Ontario and the western provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia). Aboriginal people made up the largest shares of the population of Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.


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11 Jun 2013, 3:47 pm

Jacoby wrote:
That's interesting about Canada's native population, I was under the impression that they faced a lot of the same struggles as their cousins to the south which granted I don't know if they're growing or shrinking but their lifestyle certainly doesn't seem it would lend itself to a population boom.


Canada is a sparsely populated frontier country compared to the USA.
It is a smaller dog, but with a comparable sized tail ( indigenous population) to wag.

Only one half of one percent of the US population lives on Indian reservations- one and a half million the last I read.

But Indian reservations are like minature third world countries. And third world world countries have high birth rates. So the USA's pure blood native american reservation population has been growing fast despite (or maybe because) of poverty.

The native population of Canada (my guess) is about the same in both numbers and in high birth rate as that of the USA - but the number of invaders ( non Indians) in Canada is tiny compared to that of the USA. Despite Canada being slightly larger than the contiguous USA and Alaska combined it only has 42 million people next to the USA' s 300 million. So a similiar 1.5 million sized populaton of aboriginal Eskimos and Indians would be a respectable four percent of the whole population of Canada instead of being the vanishingly small (half of one percent) that it is of the USA's much bigger and denser population.



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12 Jun 2013, 10:15 am

Did Canadian settlers try to wipe out the aboriginal people as it happened in the United States?

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12 Jun 2013, 4:37 pm

To my understanding- no, not to the same extent.

One of the reasons for the american revolution was that the crown had placed the WHITE settlers of what is now the USA into a reservation, and not the Indians!

They drew a line around the eastern seaboard and told americans that you cant settle west of the appalachians until we get things straighten out with the indians.
How important that was to provoking the revolution is hotly debated (if it was a minor grievance, or major one). But the colonist promptly ditched the rule when they got independence.

Then when what is now the USA broke away from Britain, leaving what is now Canada in the British Empire canadians continued to do things in an orderly british kind of way. They sent mounties out west to police the frontier so law and order preceded settlement. In the USA settlement of the west came first and law and order were afterthoughts that came much latter. My guess is that dealing with the indians was done in a similar logical british fashion. Though Im not an expert on the specifics.

But also you have to imagine a country as big as the USA with only one tenth our population. At every stage in history there was less pressure to steal land from the Indians than in the USA. The whole population of Canada in the NINETEEN Sixties was 30 million- the same number the USA reached in the EIGHTEEN sixties ( when we had our Civil War). When we Americans numbered 30 million the whole two thirds of the USA west of Missouri (except for california, and Oregon) was an empty wilderness without states yet ( Little Bighorn, and Wounded Knee were both still in the future).


And much of Canada is still arctic wasteland that no one even wants to steal from the natives even today.

So its hard to compare the two countries on this issue.



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12 Jun 2013, 11:07 pm

There were some land conflicts that simmered into armed conflict as well as a general concern over the lack of proper enforcement of treat rights. There was also the Residential Schools problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-West_Rebellion


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12 Jun 2013, 11:35 pm

French Canadians are more likely to have aboriginal ancestry.



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16 Jun 2013, 9:09 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/05/08/national_household_survey_10_fascinating_details.html

Well, this article on the National Household Survey in Canada points out some interesting demographic shifts. It's a bit old, but probably interesting nonetheless.

Canada is becoming more multiethnic and more secular. Somewhat distinctly from the US situation, it also seems that aboriginal peoples are having a baby boom in such a s way that's somewhat noticeable to the rest of Canada (the share that aboriginals make up of Canada's population is four times that of their share of the US population).

I guess these trends sorta explain why the Harper CONs have fixated so much on microtargeting as well as the resonance the backlash to their legislation in regards to First Nations has generated.


I'm glad to be a canadian. from the looks of US conservatives, they're having a fad of naive hero worship of the founding fathers nowadays. I don't hear any worship of the founding canadian fathers up here, maybe because we know who we had to screw over to take the country. Why can't the US Cons pick a time to worship that women and men who aren't white had equal rights? Or am I answering my own question?

But then again, I heard that some reservations in Canada don't have clean water. Is this true? Why has no government tried to fix that?



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17 Jun 2013, 8:22 pm

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But then again, I heard that some reservations in Canada don't have clean water. Is this true? Why has no government tried to fix that?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... water.html

Probably lack of priority as well as not being in the public spotlight (reserves tend to be away from the major urban media centres). I think there sometimes might also be jurisdictional squabbling between the Feds and Provinces.


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