World Government, and New World Order what do you think?

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pawelk1986
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09 Jun 2013, 4:03 pm

o many conspiracy theorist scare us that New World Order will be bad, that group of ultra wealthy people will take power and End of The World occur.

I think so it might not be so bad if it would be just like in Star Trek or the Venus project, it can be very nice



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09 Jun 2013, 4:30 pm

There are no benevolent governments, a one world government would be a dictatorship.



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09 Jun 2013, 4:47 pm

Jacoby, if you are correct that "there are no benevolent governments," why would one government necessarily be worse than multiple governments?



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09 Jun 2013, 4:55 pm

Almost all goverments * are puppets of international corporations and banks. To attack government is as silly as beating up a puppet and ignoring the puppeteer.
* Definitely mine, USA.
PS: It is very slick and a propaganda masterpiece, that they have convinced the sheeple that our problems are because the puppet has too much power over the puppeteer.


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09 Jun 2013, 5:22 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Almost all goverments * are puppets of international corporations and banks. To attack government is as silly as beating up a puppet and ignoring the puppeteer.
* Definitely mine, USA.
PS: It is very slick and a propaganda masterpiece, that they have convinced the sheeple that our problems are because the puppet has too much power over the puppeteer.


Government is the tool that these monied interests use to protect their profits and control the masses, it must be neutered to protect the people.



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09 Jun 2013, 5:30 pm

Neuter the puppet?
Should the government have less power to regulate international corporations? I agree with your point. However, the con is more sophisticated then your solution.


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09 Jun 2013, 5:37 pm

LKL wrote:
Jacoby, if you are correct that "there are no benevolent governments," why would one government necessarily be worse than multiple governments?


If one dislikes government A less than government B, he can move.

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09 Jun 2013, 6:17 pm

This World Government is the Kingdom of Satan, the Dragon, so it probably wont be so nice.

Revelation 13 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

Revelation 12 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 17 9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

You will have two choices, submit to the "Beast" otherwise you will not be able to buy anything:- Revelation 13 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[f] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Trouble is, if you do that, then your name is not written in the book of life so you will die anyway after 3 1/2 years, for that is how long God will allow this Satanic dictatorship for.

Revelation 13 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel Chapter 7 describes it this way, and calls the 3 1/2 years "time, times and half a time", a time being a year, then it gets destroyed

23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[d] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.

Daniel 12 talks about the last days, it also calls the 42 months, 1260 days,

11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.



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09 Jun 2013, 7:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
LKL wrote:
Jacoby, if you are correct that "there are no benevolent governments," why would one government necessarily be worse than multiple governments?


If one dislikes government A less than government B, he can move.

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That's half the point. With many governments people can and do move from one country to another to get away from "whatever". But a One World Government, you can not get away.

Politicians are idiots, not in control of their own governments. So making the government bigger is naturaly make ruling the people more difficult. As a consequence, they will layer more laws and stricter laws to keep the people in line. However, the tighter you squeeze, the more people resist.

A One World Government can only end badly.



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09 Jun 2013, 7:36 pm

Nambo wrote:
This World Government is the Kingdom of Satan, the Dragon, so ...

I often wonder what would happen if fundies were to get their faces out of their books long enough to look around and see for themselves what goes on in the real world.

Would they still be so keen on labeling everything they fear, hate, or don't understand as "Satanic"?

Would they learn for themselves how the world really works?

Or would they be so engrossed in soiling their britches that they would forget all about their books and "prophesies" and run off to a comfy, cozy, monastery to pray and do penance for their sin of independent thought?

... I wonder ...



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10 Jun 2013, 8:13 am

LKL wrote:
Jacoby, if you are correct that "there are no benevolent governments," why would one government necessarily be worse than multiple governments?


Because competition offers the hope of improvement.

Every good thing that came from the foundation of the USA would likely never have happened if there was no new territory for people unhappy with England to go to. All the greatness that came from immigrants dreaming of a better life would never happen. The only option would be violent revolution in their home countries, and violent revolutions rarely produce a better outcome than was was there before.

At least with a diversity of nations and political philosophies, if you don't like it where you live, you can try and move someplace better. When only one game exists, you really are powerless to change your situation.



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10 Jun 2013, 8:51 am

zer0netgain wrote:
LKL wrote:
Jacoby, if you are correct that "there are no benevolent governments," why would one government necessarily be worse than multiple governments?


Because competition offers the hope of improvement.

Every good thing that came from the foundation of the USA would likely never have happened if there was no new territory for people unhappy with England to go to. All the greatness that came from immigrants dreaming of a better life would never happen. The only option would be violent revolution in their home countries, and violent revolutions rarely produce a better outcome than was was there before.

At least with a diversity of nations and political philosophies, if you don't like it where you live, you can try and move someplace better. When only one game exists, you really are powerless to change your situation.


I'm big fan of Star Trek,if it be world like presented in Star Trek, will be cool.

I also watched Zeitgeist, the Venus Project is cool, i want to live in such world.



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10 Jun 2013, 9:08 am

pawelk1986 wrote:

I'm big fan of Star Trek,if it be world like presented in Star Trek, will be cool.

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The Star Trek 'verse is based on Rodenberry's unsupported optimism concerning the human condition. Keep in mind we are 96 percent identical to Chimpanzees who are murderous nasty gits. They are not lovable and neither are we.

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10 Jun 2013, 9:40 am

ruveyn wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:

I'm big fan of Star Trek,if it be world like presented in Star Trek, will be cool.

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The Star Trek 'verse is based on Rodenberry's unsupported optimism concerning the human condition. Keep in mind we are 96 percent identical to Chimpanzees who are murderous nasty gits. They are not lovable and neither are we.

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As always, you're right, but that's no reason not to try to change for the better. As for chimps, sometimes regretted that I was not born as a Bonobo Chimpanzee, because they can have sex with who they want, and nobody call them nasty because of this :D

PS. What do you think about Jacque Fresco and Venus Project?



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10 Jun 2013, 9:45 am

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PS. What do you think about Jacque Fresco and Venus Project?


He seems to be another J. Buckminster Fuller. He has some interesting ideas, just as Bucky did.

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10 Jun 2013, 7:07 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:

I'm big fan of Star Trek,if it be world like presented in Star Trek, will be cool.

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The Star Trek 'verse is based on Rodenberry's unsupported optimism concerning the human condition. Keep in mind we are 96 percent identical to Chimpanzees who are murderous nasty gits. They are not lovable and neither are we.

ruveyun

We're just as closely related to the hippie-like bonobos as we are to murderous chimpanzees.