Some things I think we all need to be aware of

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11 Jul 2013, 5:39 am

This isn't just about America, it effects the whole world. I'm concerned about this and I'm in Australia.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgo8MuszjlE[/youtube]
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12 Jul 2013, 12:16 am

This is pretty important stuff to know



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12 Jul 2013, 12:20 am

For those of us who read far faster than Youtube, could you please provide at least an executive summary?


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12 Jul 2013, 12:25 am

The problem is that illuminati conspiracists interpret "new world order" in an entirely different way than those they are quoting.

Conspiracy theories are disempowering. A new world order, correctly understood, will be empowering.


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12 Jul 2013, 12:29 am

nominalist wrote:
The problem is that illuminati conspiracists interpret "new world order" in an entirely different way than those they are quoting.

Conspiracy theories are disempowering. A new world order, correctly understood, will be empowering.


Well, the League of Nations is working out quite well to date....


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12 Jul 2013, 1:38 am

AgentPalpatine wrote:
For those of us who read far faster than Youtube, could you please provide at least an executive summary?

It cover several topics, so it'd be a lot easier for you to just watch the video rather than read what I'm about to say. Please do that, at least for a few minutes. It's really not that long.

But some of the things they talk about are: arresting Citizens indefinitely without trial or even being charged with something thanks to the NDAA (rights? What rights?), surveillance drones and Militarization of the Police.
They are preparing for something. In the past 10 months the military has bought over 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. That is more ammo than used in the entire Iraq war.
What are they preparing for?

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The problem is that illuminati conspiracists interpret "new world order" in an entirely different way than those they are quoting.

Conspiracy theories are disempowering. A new world order, correctly understood, will be empowering.


This has nothing to do with conspiracies at all. The only things in this video are facts. People have been implanted with RFID Chips, for example. It's easy to prove, just look it up. Same with everything in this video.
The RFID Chips are the scariest thing, in my opinion. They can track you with it (so bye bye privacy), it will be your I.D. and Key Card. It'll be how you pay for everything. So if you don't get one, if you want the right to live without this invasion of privacy and total control, too bad. You wont be able to do anything without it, like buy food. Your own chip will probably have some form of identification like a credit card, so you still need it to buy things online.
One by one, our freedoms are being taken away.



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12 Jul 2013, 1:56 am

AgentPalpatine wrote:
Well, the League of Nations is working out quite well to date....


The League of Nations was before WWII. The U.S. never joined the League of Nations. The United Nations is the institution which we have right now. Unfortunately, it has almost no power.
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12 Jul 2013, 2:08 am

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This has nothing to do with conspiracies at all. The only things in this video are facts. People have been implanted with RFID Chips,


First, who, specifically, has been forcibly implanted with an RFID chip?

Second, RFID chips have no relationship to serious, academic discussions of a new world order. That is a meme from the right-wing media. As I said, the right-wing media use the term new world order in a an entirely different way from serious policy analysts, scholars, and officials.

Your equation of a new world order, which is nothing more than improving the way the world works, with RFID chips is an illustration. Statements need to be looked out in context, not extracted as soundbites to prove some conspiracy.

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for example. It's easy to prove, just look it up. Same with everything in this video.


Give me a legitimate source to look up, and I will (not a YouTube video or an "alternative" news website). Simply telling me to look it up is meaningless to me. Look up what source? Where?

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The RFID Chips are the scariest thing, in my opinion.


I am sorry if they scare you, but your emotional reactions are not evidence of anything.

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They can track you with it (so bye bye privacy), it will be your I.D. and Key Card.


And, once again, how is that related to the way in which a new world order is used by serious researchers, policy analysts, and officials?

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It'll be how you pay for everything. So if you don't get one, if you want the right to live without this invasion of privacy and total control, too bad. You wont be able to do anything without it, like buy food. Your own chip will probably have some form of identification like a credit card, so you still need it to buy things online. One by one, our freedoms are being taken away.


Now you are combining a technology with premillennial Protestant theology. Sorry, that may work with some people, not with me. I am neither a Christian nor a conspiracy theorist.


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12 Jul 2013, 2:11 am

nominalist wrote:
AgentPalpatine wrote:
Well, the League of Nations is working out quite well to date....


The League of Nations was before WWII. The U.S. never joined the League of Nations. The United Nations is the institution which we have right now. Unfortunately, it has almost no power.


I fixed your post to get my quote correct.

You indicate that it is "unfortunate" that the UN has "almost no power". What powers would you want the UN to have, and how would the excerise of these powers be governed?


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12 Jul 2013, 2:20 am

AgentPalpatine wrote:
I fixed your post to get my quote correct.


I think I found the error at the same time as you did. (I fixed it, too.)

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You indicate that it is "unfortunate" that the UN has "almost no power". What powers would you want the UN to have, and how would the excerise of these powers be governed?


About the same amount of power that the U.S. federal government has in relationship to the individual states. I assume that there would be a world police force, a global currency, etc.


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12 Jul 2013, 2:35 am

nominalist wrote:
AgentPalpatine wrote:
You indicate that it is "unfortunate" that the UN has "almost no power". What powers would you want the UN to have, and how would the excerise of these powers be governed?


About the same amount of power that the U.S. federal government has in relationship to the individual states. I assume that there would be a world police force, a global currency, etc.


Just to give examples, are you advocating that this proposed UN would have the power to levy taxes to the individual level, would have the power to raise and supply military force, and would have the ability to act as the court of final appeal, is that correct?

Also, how would this proposed UN be governed?


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12 Jul 2013, 3:16 am

nominalist wrote:
Redstar2613 wrote:
This has nothing to do with conspiracies at all. The only things in this video are facts. People have been implanted with RFID Chips,


First, who, specifically, has been forcibly implanted with an RFID chip?

Second, RFID chips have no relationship to serious, academic discussions of a new world order. That is a meme from the right-wing media. As I said, the right-wing media use the term new world order in a an entirely different way from serious policy analysts, scholars, and officials.

Your equation of a new world order, which is nothing more than improving the way the world works, with RFID chips is an illustration. Statements need to be looked out in context, not extracted as soundbites to prove some conspiracy.

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for example. It's easy to prove, just look it up. Same with everything in this video.


Give me a legitimate source to look up, and I will (not a YouTube video or an "alternative" news website). Simply telling me to look it up is meaningless to me. Look up what source? Where?

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The RFID Chips are the scariest thing, in my opinion.


I am sorry if they scare you, but your emotional reactions are not evidence of anything.

Redstar2613 wrote:
They can track you with it (so bye bye privacy), it will be your I.D. and Key Card.


And, once again, how is that related to the way in which a new world order is used by serious researchers, policy analysts, and officials?

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It'll be how you pay for everything. So if you don't get one, if you want the right to live without this invasion of privacy and total control, too bad. You wont be able to do anything without it, like buy food. Your own chip will probably have some form of identification like a credit card, so you still need it to buy things online. One by one, our freedoms are being taken away.


Now you are combining a technology with premillennial Protestant theology. Sorry, that may work with some people, not with me. I am neither a Christian nor a conspiracy theorist.


If you knew as much as you claim to know about the New World Order, you'd know how all what I said is relevant to it.
You actually believe that RFID Chips are some Ring Wing conspiracy.

You're perfectly capable of doing your own research. It's fine to request sources obviously, but to flat out refuse to bother to look up anything on your own just proves that you wont allow yourself to discover something that you might not like and to protect your beliefs. Perhaps you just aren't ready. But I guarantee that what they say about the truth is true, it will set you free.
And here's a video that took me about 5 seconds to find, it's someone getting implanted with an RFID Chip.
And it really doesn't matter if it's a Youtube VIdeo, an article or anything, the information is what counts. It's not like it being in a Youtube video magically makes it lack facts.

So you'll only accept "news" from specific sources? You wont allow anyone to tell you differently if they aren't on the 7oclock news, because no one else could be a better researcher or have access to better sources, or just be better educated or more intelligent? Way to close yourself off from information.... That's a perfect example of willful ignorance. Relying on specific sources for infomation cuts out a lot of information, if they choose not to tell it or just don't know about it.

But one thing you really should watch is is a documentary from a respected Australian Journalist, John Pilger. It's called The War You Don't See.
This is it. It's about the roll the Media plays. You probably wont believe me but I swear, it's got nothing to do with any sort of conspiracy.

Also, I never said my reactions are evidence. Don't put words in my mouth... or fingers :P Seriously tough, I was just stating how I feel about it, which I'm free to do.