ILLUMINATI

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Does anyone else believe in the Illuminati like I do?
Maybe it doesn't exist, but you can't deny that our politicians are corrupt jerks who only want to pocket big bucks. Or how the government bailed out the bankers that caused this whole economic downfall. Or even how 1% of the whole planet is unnecessarily MEGA rich while the rest of the 99% has trouble staying afloat. That's a REAL fair percentage (sarcasm) and Obama is the biggest lying crook there ever was.
You know back in 2009 Obama signed a Executive Order stating that no matter what, Guantanamo Bay will be closed. Well, guess what? It's STILL open and STILL has horrific torture methods. And now there are unmanned drones flying around everywhere with people controlling it thousands of miles away like it's some damn video game! Wtf? Those things aren't perfect, and if you think they are then something is clearly wrong with you. They have killed over 170 children, probably alot more, yet the Obama and Bush Administration insist that they are surgeon precise.
I could go on and on about everything wrong with this world and government.
Why are military soldiers awarded medals for murdering other human beings?
Albert Einstein once said "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder"
Why do we kill our fellow human brothers? Why do people grow up as children only to decide they want to join the military so they can kill someone who also grew up as a child?
Why doesn't our Government help fix the economy instead of wasting billions on the failed drug war and stop adding trillions to the ever expanding national debt that our grandchildren will spit on our graves for allowing them to be burdened with it too?

The Illuminati lasted for about 15 years in the late 1700s. They were an informal network of rationalists, secularists, and anti-monarchists. There was nothing conspiratorial about them.

The Illuminati conspiracy is a long-standing urban legend. Its heyday was in Nazi Germany.

It is a fantastical extension of the Knights Templar fantasy. The Knights Templar were wiped out but there is a persistent myth that they (1) exist as a secret underground organization or (2) they sailed off to the New World with ships loaded with their ill gotten gains.

ruveyn

One of the key objectives of conspiracy theorists is to divorce themselves from the problems in the world. It is something to explain all bad things an lump them together.

It also makes them feel special, believing they have a special insight that others don't, which leads them to use phrase like 'sheeple', and 'wake up' and other pseudo profound tirade.

By creating a 'them' it is a way of creating a clear distinction between good and bad, and placing themselves on the good side. However this is not reality.

Most of he problems in politics are not just with politicians but the population at large, and that includes you. In fairness it is not just conspiracy theorists that don't get this.

Animal behavior is what is really going on. You are just as much a part of it.

These conspiracies have no real point, there is not point of such a powerful organization (and it does need to be to meet the requirement of the theorist) to play stupid games, dropping subtle hints, etc when they could just be overt and get what they want.

Logistically they are impossible, and they fail precisely because of human nature and self interest.

I find conspiracy theorists have a problem relating to real life. It like life through kaleidoscope. It is a spectrum of its own.

Yes, and conspiracists generally confuse social disorganization and incompetence with a conspiracy.

I think what is happening is that our chosen way of economic practice has created a small set of people with extreme power and money. This was inevitable and predicted by Karl Marx. Now we are in that situation what can we do about it? As we have recently seen we can do nothing about it. Because these few people in power will ensure that their power is never put in jeopardy and will use public money to prop themselves up.

While people may laugh at ideas like the "Illuminati", the world is in a situation where if an organization like that existed the vast majority of people would be oblivious of their existence.

A great quote from Einstein is: "The world is a dangerous place. Not because of bad people doing bad things, but because everyone else stands by and lets them do it."

I gave up worrying about all that stuff. No matter what's going on in the world it will affect us whether we know about it or not.

For a Conspiracy Theorist the lack of empirical evidence for the Conspiracy is the best evidence that it exists.

Common Sense Sam says: But, but there is no evidence that the Conspiracy exists.
Conspiracy Theorist replies: That is what They want you to think.

ruveyn

The conspiracy exists for the theorist.

As I understand this conspiracy theory, the Illumanati have control over all world leaders and parliaments, industry and commerce, right and left politics, communism and capitalism. That's a pretty tall order to manage, not to mention contradictory. And anyone who is controlling events is certainly doing a piss poor job at it, as everything seems to be careening toward disaster.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I take your point.

That is what They want you to think.

That's what who want you to think?

Uh oh...

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Answer these questions, please:

1.0.0 HUMAN & MATERIAL RESOURCES

1.1.0 How large is the supposed Illuminati conspiracy?

1.2.0 How many people are part of this Illuminati conspiracy?

1.3.0 Are there enough of them to carry out the Illuminati's plan?

1.4.0 What infrastructure and resources does the Illuminati need?

1.5.0 How much time and money did it take and where did this money come from?

2.0.0 GAIN & PROFIT

2.1.0 Explicitly who gains what from the Illuminati conspiracy and for what price?

2.1.1 If the Illuminati is an old conspiracy - who gains what from maintaining it?

2.1.2 Is this the easiest way of gaining it?

2.1.3 If not, why was it chosen over the easiest way?

3.0.0 SECRECY & SECURITY

3.1.0 How likely is the supposed Illuminati conspiracy to be covered up if has gone on a long time?

3.2.0 If there are thousands of Illuminati conspirators, and the Illuminati conspiracy has gone on for decades, why have none defected?

3.2.1 Why have none of them leaked the story?

3.2.2 If many Illuminati conspirators are dead, why have none of them told the truth on their deathbeds, or in their wills?

4.0.0 ORGANIZATION & PLANNING

4.1.0 How does the Illuminati recruit new members?

4.2.0 How does the Illuminati keep track of membership?

4.3.0 If there are many thousands of Illuminati conspirators, how are they organized?

4.4.0 Where are the secret Illuminati conferences held?

4.5.0 If the Illuminati are organized through known channels or entities, how do they keep non-members who work there from uncovering the conspiracy?

5.0.0 INVOLVEMENT

5.1.0 If the Illuminati is running a global conspiracy, why have the French, Russian, or Chinese intelligence agencies never revealed it? (NOTE: If all intelligence agencies are involved, start over with section 2.0.0)

5.1.1 If they have, when and where did they do so?

6.0.0 CONTRADICTION & CONVOLUTION

6.1.0 Does belief in this Illuminati theory require accepting that the conspiring entities are incredibly competent, bone stupid, organized and clever, and hopelessly incompetent - all at the same time?

6.2.0 What (if any) implausible contradictions does this Illuminati theory depend upon?

6.2.1 ... A secret well and carefully kept by extremely powerful and aggressive entities, that one or (especially) more "bozos on the bus" happens to know all about, and talk about openly, including on the Web, without being made to disappear?

6.2.2 ... A highly organized and thoroughly secret system of concentration camps operated by FEMA, which is famous for its amazingly chaotic, clumsy, and ineffective handling of rescue and recovery after Katrina?

6.2.3 ... An intensely secret program that could be easily discovered and verified by anyone with a common piece of scientific equipment?

Take your time ... I know you want to give the most accurate answers possible, and without any evasion, obfuscation, or subterfuge.

Never confuse for malice that which may be more easily explained by stupidity.