Checks and Balances: Our Govermental Structure
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I hope the moderators forgive me for starting this thread and leave this new thread open. I would like to expand upon what Frankdileno said and discuss our Governmental structure. In theory, our government has three branches which are the legislative branch, the judicial branch and executive branch. The powers our divided up amongst the three branches and part of their powers is to check each other. Part of this system is the people is supposed to check the government as well. I believe this is how our founding fathers envisioned the structure of our government. If I am wrong please show me.
The government does not work like a perfect machine with strict rules and regulations. Our government consists of people who make friends, have feelings, and they establish relationships. One of the president's unofficial duties is to work with congress through a series of compromises to pass laws. Our politicians work through a series of compromises which may or may not be in the favor for the people.
All politicians only get a part of what they want and laws and bills are changed from their original draft because of compromise. Compromise is used because not everyone will agree upon everything. I understand where Frankdileno is coming from. The people play a hand as well by wanting certain policies and voting politicians in who may or may not give them their way.
The problem is it is not one politician's fault. It is the mechanism that is the problem here. I don't believe we can fully blame Obama or Bush. I believe since it is the mechanism I believe we all share some of the responsibility pie including "We the People." I would love to discuss this with everyone without attacking or being belligerent if the mods are okay with it and if not I hope they have mercy upon me.
My father used to work for the government as well and he has explained to me about how politics and bureaucracies work. One thing about Bureaucracies is they are legally bound to follow the law.
I blame obama for things he wants to do and things he could have done/things hes done.
I also blame congress for stuff. I don't blame obama for thing congress has done.
I feel stating what he has done/hasn't done would only cause a ruckus.
the President has a lot more power then he should, not obama's doing, but each president has kept the illegal powers or expanded them. I'ts just became the norm. people freaked out when it happen, but now its been there for years its just not noticed, even though its not by the law. How to fix this I have no ideal and it would face huge resistance by any president. Its just unfortunate.
I'm looking forward to when hes out of office and hoping he doesn't mess up too much of our rights before then. Then I hope the republican we get next isn't worse. Such seems to be our nation. who's the better of two evils. rather then who's the better of two goods.
I'd much rather everyone just get alone. lol
This is why political knowledge, voting, and gun ownership is so important in the USA.
As much as I can blame those in power for what they have done, it is the IDIOTS who elect them who shoulder a good part of that blame. I know of very few elected people who didn't telegraph their political intentions BEFORE they were elected.
Granted, we have a mass-media that serves a select group of interested parties, and that does much to shape public opinion and perception, but it's that people swallow the mass-media garbage and vote accordingly (or don't care to even do that much research) that gets us where we are today.
We could clean house in a decade if we got vigilant and kept voting out people who didn't put serving the people ahead of other interests. If that doesn't do the job, there are other means to clean house.
The average citizen is too distracted with less important things. It's the heart of why Plato said democracies don't work because the average person is too stupid to run his own political affairs.
As much as I can blame those in power for what they have done, it is the IDIOTS who elect them who shoulder a good part of that blame. I know of very few elected people who didn't telegraph their political intentions BEFORE they were elected.
Granted, we have a mass-media that serves a select group of interested parties, and that does much to shape public opinion and perception, but it's that people swallow the mass-media garbage and vote accordingly (or don't care to even do that much research) that gets us where we are today.
We could clean house in a decade if we got vigilant and kept voting out people who didn't put serving the people ahead of other interests. If that doesn't do the job, there are other means to clean house.
The average citizen is too distracted with less important things. It's the heart of why Plato said democracies don't work because the average person is too stupid to run his own political affairs.
Zeronetgain, My friend, none of that is going to happen because the average person is too stupid to run his own political affairs. To tell you the truth, I think our country is done and I think it is finished. I don't believe there is anything any of us can do to alter our present course.
I believe America failed. IMHO, we're all to blame and that is because we have a certain cultural DNA which has reached its conclusion.
Please read this by Dr. Morris Berman. He is telling the truth.
The thing that people need to realize is, the president does not have supreme control over the workings of the government. He's a public figure, the voice of the government, and a mediator, nothing more.
The problem with the government, started a long time ago, and it's only continued because people don't care enough about the problem to speak out about reform. Right now, our government consists of people who are rich, and only care about themselves. And the system of checks and balances is broken because of that reason, they all look out for each other when the sh*t hits the fan, so nothing ever changes. And as it's recently been shown, they'll ignore anyone, even members of congress, if they're faced with the hard questions that they don't want to answer. The system is broken because of the people within it, and the only way to fix that is to replace every government official in office.
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^this.
People give the president way too much credit (and way too much blame) for current affairs, regardless of which party is in the Whitehouse. Even issuing executive orders (which have had the conservative main-liners and TPers up in arms lately) can still easily be overturned by the judicial system or congress. Major orders must also receive approval from congress. And congress (once an executive order has been issued, approved, and not been revoked by the courts), is still responsible for the specifics of how to implement said executive order.
And executive orders are the most powerful tool the president has. He can veto, but this is not as common as it should be for a whole host of political reasons.
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^this.
People give the president way too much credit (and way too much blame) for current affairs, regardless of which party is in the Whitehouse. Even issuing executive orders (which have had the conservative main-liners and TPers up in arms lately) can still easily be overturned by the judicial system or congress. Major orders must also receive approval from congress. And congress (once an executive order has been issued, approved, and not been revoked by the courts), is still responsible for the specifics of how to implement said executive order.
And executive orders are the most powerful tool the president has. He can veto, but this is not as common as it should be for a whole host of political reasons.
Precisely, it's part of the checks and balances and yet another thing that is broken within the system because it depends on congress, who is not working in our best interests right now.
Congress has even avoided executive orders before, by refusing to fund them, pretty disturbing.
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