Page 1 of 4 [ 55 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

GinBlossoms
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 173

06 Oct 2013, 6:09 pm

I have a new interpretation of God's kingdom: as it's a heavenly kingdom set free from government force and coercion. Some people can have more than others, but even those who don't have as much will feel just as joyful as those who have more in Heaven. I definitely don't believe that Heaven is ran on communism. What is your opinion of Heavenly systems of government and economy?

I know this depends on your religion, but all those 5 major religions in the world believe in a roughly similar concept.



zacb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,175

06 Oct 2013, 7:02 pm

I think it would be like pre-fall earth. I never thought of the coercion bit though. But what about the 10,000 year reign? Something to think about. Will we be coercive like we are now, or will the devil fail miserably at his mission to woo people?



GinBlossoms
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 173

06 Oct 2013, 7:28 pm

I really believe that Heaven is a kingdom free from force of law and taxes. I don't know whether or not I believe that there will even be currency in Heaven, but if there is currency, it will be free from taxes. Taxes are stealing and stealing is a sin. There will be no need for charity on the other hand, since everyone's wants are fulfilled.

In heaven, our concept of government will sound meaningless. This is because moral freedom and opportunity will be universally available.

I love looking forward to being free from the force of law and being a prosperous being once I enter into his paradise.



VIDEODROME
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,691

06 Oct 2013, 7:41 pm

This make me think of the Afterlife depicted in Beetlejuice making it seem like a complex DMV.



zacb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,175

06 Oct 2013, 7:44 pm

GinBlossoms wrote:
I really believe that Heaven is a kingdom free from force of law and taxes. I don't know whether or not I believe that there will even be currency in Heaven, but if there is currency, it will be free from taxes. Taxes are stealing and stealing is a sin. There will be no need for charity on the other hand, since everyone's wants are fulfilled.

In heaven, our concept of government will sound meaningless. This is because moral freedom and opportunity will be universally available.

I love looking forward to being free from the force of law and being a prosperous being once I enter into his paradise.


Steve Forbes would have a heyday with a gold barter economy haha XD . I imagine there is some commerce system in Heaven. I do believe God's natural tendency is for less bureaucracy (book of judges), but the tax bit would be nice. I do think we will not have much regulation, but I can't conceptualize it. I tend to think of it like Liechtenstein, where their is a monarchy, but it tends to be a business tax haven. That is how I see it though.



zacb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,175

06 Oct 2013, 7:46 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
This make me think of the Afterlife depicted in Beetlejuice making it seem like a complex DMV.


That reminds me of Butter's converting to the civil religion XD .



GinBlossoms
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 173

06 Oct 2013, 8:26 pm

zacb wrote:
I imagine there is some commerce system in Heaven. I do believe God's natural tendency is for less bureaucracy (book of judges), but the tax bit would be nice.


I like how we share that agreement in common.

There is a whole book I can write, maybe I will write one someday. I'll admit that I don't imagine there will be any press/news agencies in God's Heaven, but if I could imagine, it will be closer to the people and free from impurity. I still imagine a sense of local community past God's gates.



zacb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,175

06 Oct 2013, 8:36 pm

GinBlossoms wrote:
zacb wrote:
I imagine there is some commerce system in Heaven. I do believe God's natural tendency is for less bureaucracy (book of judges), but the tax bit would be nice.


I like how we share that agreement in common.

There is a whole book I can write, maybe I will write one someday. I'll admit that I don't imagine there will be any press/news agencies in God's Heaven, but if I could imagine, it will be closer to the people and free from impurity. I still imagine a sense of local community past God's gates.


I don't think about heaven as much, as so much as the application of God's laws. The only things I can see as far as endorsing any particular system, I would point to the book of Judges. I have got into deep arguments with my mom about the literal interpretation of things, such as thou shalt not steal or kill, even if by proxy. I am mixed about my faith at the moment, but I would like to check out the quakers. The other denominations kinda frustrate me, since I don't quite fit in, and the politics are a tad off. But I do not know it all.



ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

06 Oct 2013, 8:51 pm

It is a dictatorship.



GinBlossoms
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 173

06 Oct 2013, 8:53 pm

I'm not trying to conceptualize heaven as any particular government system (we had enough politics) as much as I was talking about society in heaven. There is merely no real government in Heaven. God can't spy on anyone. Nobody can collect taxes. Nobody can become corrupt. What are these arguments with your mom about?



AGhostWriter
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 91
Location: Colorado

06 Oct 2013, 10:13 pm

GinBlossoms wrote:
God can't spy on anyone.

He kind of has to: he's omnipresent, right?

Pretty sure all heaven is said to be in the bible is people worshiping God...and then doing it some more again? Doesn't seem too complex. There wouldn't be government because the ultimate act of coercion would have already happened: your complete deprivation of free will. It's worship or keep worshiping, as far as the Bible says. Not a lot of room for boating on the weekends or starting a small business under the ideals of libertarianism.
If anyone else gets up there before I die, though, feel free to let me know how it all works. I mean, assuming you can sneak out of the endless worship if it turns out that is a thing.



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,807
Location: Stendec

06 Oct 2013, 10:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
It is a dictatorship.

A largely benevolent dictatorship, as long as you don't rebel.

Or step on a duck.


_________________
 
I have no love for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Leadership, Islamic Jihad, other Islamic terrorist groups, OR their supporters and sympathizers.


drh1138
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 2 Dec 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 498

06 Oct 2013, 10:31 pm

It's Orwellian Totalitarianism, as can only be with an invisible, infallible, all-powerful leader (who, like Big Brother, almost certainly isn't real, yet demands absolute faith and subjugates all aspects of private life) who sees everything you do, hears everything you say, knows everything you think, and can never be questioned or brought to account.



zacb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,175

06 Oct 2013, 10:47 pm

It depends. If you take the deistic view of God, then he would not be. otherwise, he would be a dictator. I prefer the first, although I take more of a Liechtenstein of it, or maybe more like Monaco.



auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,555
Location: the island of defective toy santas

06 Oct 2013, 11:15 pm

I can best describe my view of heaven by mentioning a few movies that left an impression on me-

*made in heaven -only movie I've seen that depicted mental creation of objects in heaven-
*the adding machine -the only movie I've seen that depicted limitless beaches and free food and other neat stuff-
*what dreams may come -only movie I've seen that depicted an artist's possible heaven with everything seemingly made out of freshly daubed painter's oils-
*brainstorm -only movie I've seen which depicted heavenly beings of light-
*always -only movie I've seen that depicted the heavenly emulation of nature.

my view of heaven would be a combo of what I described above.



Magneto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,086
Location: Blighty

07 Oct 2013, 2:14 am

I think of heaven as being a sort of complete post-scarcity system, where humans are free to be ourselves without needing to work. Kind of like how God doesn't need to work, yet does.

(Vinyl)Scratch that, we'll all be ponies, probably alicorns, in heaven. I can prove it, by taking verses way, way out of context, using eisegesis, and in general using a pretty typical way of interpreting the bible, at least in many evangelical circles.