destruction of Carthage does is the first genocide

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05 Jan 2014, 4:21 pm

Recently I watched a video on Viasat History about the Third Punic War, about how the Rome ultimate destroyed Carthage. I wonder if this was the first genocide in history.



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05 Jan 2014, 7:57 pm

Hardly the first.


The Hebrews were ordered by God to commit genocide and ethnic clensing against the Canaanites in the 1200's BC which was not only 1000 years earlier than the last Punic War, but it was (unlike the Romans against Carthage) the first genocide in the name of the God of Abraham. Judaism passed on its homocidal tendencies to both its offspring religions: Islam, and Christianity. Both faiths have been commiting mass murder in the name of the God of Abraham to this day.

Just to pick one dramatic example (that still effects us all to this day) from an even earlier time.

But also as you go back in time its starts to be peaches and pears to compare violence in the past to now.

Supposidly stone age tribes would conquer their neighboring tribes, and kill all the males and seize all the females. The number of deaths resulting would be in the dozens. But in the Paleothic, when we all lived by hunting and gathering, it took 20 square miles to support one person. A region the size of New Jersy would have a population of about 500 people. So if two groups of PaleoIndians in what is now New Jersy mixed it up in the stone age and 50 people died- that would be 'genocide' comparable to the Stalin, or the Holocaust - relative to the population sizes of the stone age bands involved.

So its impossible to pinpoint when 'genocide' as distinct from other kinds of violence was 'invented'.



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05 Jan 2014, 10:12 pm

the neanderthals were genocided by homo sapiens about 25 thousand years ago, that must surely pre date Carthage or any adventures involving the abrahamists.

The remains of the last neanderthal settlement was found near some cliffs in Gibraltar.


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05 Jan 2014, 10:16 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
The Hebrews were ordered by God to commit genocide and ethnic clensing against the Canaanites in the 1200's BC which was not only 1000 years earlier than the last Punic War, but it was (unlike the Romans against Carthage) the first genocide in the name of the God of Abraham. Judaism passed on its homocidal tendencies to both its offspring religions: Islam, and Christianity. Both faiths have been commiting mass murder in the name of the God of Abraham to this day.


There were Canaanites living in Israel well after that point. Many took on high ranking positions within the Hebrew government. The archaeological evidence shows us that while there was a war, the settlements that were destroyed were military. The account in the Bible is most likely an exaggeration.


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05 Jan 2014, 10:29 pm

the reality is that man (and his genetic forerunners) has probably been orchestrating genocides since time immemorial.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSq5aCZO5n8[/youtube]


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05 Jan 2014, 10:40 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Hardly the first.


The Hebrews were ordered by God to commit genocide and ethnic clensing against the Canaanites in the 1200's BC which was not only 1000 years earlier than the last Punic War, but it was (unlike the Romans against Carthage) the first genocide in the name of the God of Abraham. Judaism passed on its homocidal tendencies to both its offspring religions: Islam, and Christianity. Both faiths have been commiting mass murder in the name of the God of Abraham to this day.



That commandment was never carried out. The Hebrews preferred bedding down with the local woman they conquered and putting the men to work hauling water and cutting wood.

Neither did the Hebrews eliminate the Amalekites.

Later on a half million were slain in the Punic Wars by the Romans.

And Caesar boasted of killing a half million Gauls.

The closest thing to a complete genocide was the elimination of the Tasmanians by the Brits. Less than a hundred survived the slaughter.

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06 Jan 2014, 5:40 am

I do not know why but I feel more sympathy for Carthage than for Rome