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18 Oct 2013, 3:44 pm

We all know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic) * With all this coverage about the government shutdown , they tried to slip in this, NAFTA on steroids!
http://www.citizen.org/TPP
* For some reason "magic" is not part of the link! Perhaps cut and paste or go to that link and then click on the first link at that site.


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18 Oct 2013, 3:59 pm

In English, please. What is your point?

I doubt Ludwig would approve of such a nonsensical post...



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18 Oct 2013, 4:04 pm

UMM read the site.
A little info to get you up to speed, NAFTA was the North American Free Trade Agreement. If you go to the site you will see that TPP is also a trade agreement except with broader powers. *
Misdirection (see that site also) is a magic technique where the magician distracts the audience. Similarly, the government shutdown distracted the public from TPP.
* When someone says "X" is like "Y" on steroids, the meaning is that X is similar to Y except stronger and more intimidating.


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18 Oct 2013, 4:24 pm

I am perfectly aware of what NAFTA is, thank you. :roll: And I know how to click on a link.

Now, what is your point? How can you have that user name and be so inept at communicating your message?

Here is a minor lesson in language:

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Was the US government shutdown a distraction from TPP negotiations?

Thread content:
I make the following claim:

The US government shutdown was not a partisan struggle between ideological adversaries in the US House of Representatives, The US Senate and The US Presidency.

It was a distraction designed to avert attention from the negotiation about the US participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (Henceforth described as the TPP), an organization comprising of of Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore at its inception.



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19 Oct 2013, 10:50 am

“Was the US government shutdown a distraction from TPP negotiations?”
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Obviously that was my point.
“We all know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic) With all this coverage about the government shutdown , they tried to slip in this, NAFTA on steroids!”
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Can’t you see that the above statement is saying that the government shutdown was a misdirection to slip in NAFTA on steroids? My dad ( a retired English professor) told me when I was very young that when writing one must take the reader by the hand and assume that he knows nothing. But this is ridiculous!
But anyway, the important fact ( and why I titled the thread " NAFTA on steroids") is that TPP is VERY dangerous and represents the marginalization of representative government and the hegemony * of international corporations.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony
PS: Obviously you are acting like a troll, picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight. I like fierce debates but only if they have substance. This is just childish silliness.


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21 Oct 2013, 3:50 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
“Was the US government shutdown a distraction from TPP negotiations?”
GGPViper
Obviously that was my point.
“We all know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic) With all this coverage about the government shutdown , they tried to slip in this, NAFTA on steroids!”
ME
Can’t you see that the above statement is saying that the government shutdown was a misdirection to slip in NAFTA on steroids? My dad ( a retired English professor) told me when I was very young that when writing one must take the reader by the hand and assume that he knows nothing. But this is ridiculous!
But anyway, the important fact ( and why I titled the thread " NAFTA on steroids") is that TPP is VERY dangerous and represents the marginalization of representative government and the hegemony * of international corporations.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony
PS: Obviously you are acting like a troll, picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight. I like fierce debates but only if they have substance. This is just childish silliness.


That's what he and a few other people on this site seem to do when anyone points out just how deceptive the government is get angry and attack childishly. I pointed this out myself on another thread hate how like you said they use magic to cover their tacks.



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21 Oct 2013, 4:06 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
PS: Obviously you are acting like a troll, picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight. I like fierce debates but only if they have substance. This is just childish silliness.

No, I was not acting like a troll. I just assumed that someone who chose a user name representing one of the most influential philosophers of language of all time (perhaps only eclipsed by Chomsky) would be capable of precise communication of a very simple point. I was wrong, apparently.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:49 pm

Luckily the vast majority of Wrong Planet readers can understand the next two sentences, “We all know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic). With all this coverage about the government shutdown, they tried to slip in this, NAFTA on steroids!”
They also know that it is the same as saying that the government shutdown was a misdirection to slip in NAFTA on steroids.
Since you claim that the above statements do not make any sense to you… Well I will not make it any more elementary as that would be an insult to WP readers.
Unfortunately, you believe that you look smart by using baseless ad hominems. You also think that trying to look smart is more important than a subject (TPP) that truly has important consequences.
Anyway, you do have a habit of avoiding issues that confuse you by making personal attacks.


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22 Oct 2013, 2:55 pm

I don't know about all the details, but it seems like mercantilism on steroids. I especially hate the draconian IP laws.



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24 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

I agree! TPP will suck the life out of the internet. A highly creative force that promotes the free exchange of ideas and innovation will become a corporate controlled zombie. It will be about as interesting as reality TV.
“Leaked draft texts of the agreement show that the IP chapter would have extensive negative ramifications for users’ freedom of speech, right to privacy and due process, and hinder peoples' abilities to innovate.”
FROM
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
More info, http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_ ... eedom.html and http://tppinfo.org/


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