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wreck1
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08 Oct 2013, 12:40 pm

I need the ability to advocate mysefl, as Aspie. But I have always wanted to say this:
http://www.knowswhy.com/why-does-religion-exist/

And as Muslim.
I belive that that ultimate goal of Islam is victory over the enemy and unity. Today we are young and 20% of the worlds population holds 75f% of the worlds resources. While 80% holds the remaining 25% i guess. So we should invite to Islam and you are unjust if you oppose and refuse unite with the bigger body...

Proof:
[61.7] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah and he is invited to Islam, and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[61.8] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths but Allah will perfect His light, though the unbelievers may be averse.
[61.9] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

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08 Oct 2013, 2:57 pm

wreck1 wrote:

And as Muslim.
I belive that that ultimate goal of Islam is victory over the enemy and unity. Today we are young and 20% of the worlds population holds 75f% of the worlds resources. While 80% holds the remaining 25% i guess. So we should invite to Islam and you are unjust if you oppose and refuse unite with the bigger body...

Who is the enemy?

I am fully aware of the woefully inadequate distribution of resources but to my knowledge, none of the abrahamic religions actively propose redressing that.

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Proof:
[61.7] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah and he is invited to Islam, and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[61.8] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths but Allah will perfect His light, though the unbelievers may be averse.
[61.9] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

Religious scripture is the basis of subjective belief, not objective proof. Understand the difference.

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08 Oct 2013, 3:13 pm

You appearently dont like religion. I dont like either. But when I think about the purpouse of God (our purpouse is to serve God) it has to be to make it easier for us. It is difficult because the resources are not balanced between us.

For me the Quran is objective truth, just like some book would be objective truth. Books are sacred and not birds. And it says in the Quran that you could write your own books, but still you'd have to overcome us (muslims) dialectically. Violence which we preach and scares you so much comes after SHOULD discussion. Otherwise why would you be so offensiv with me?

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08 Oct 2013, 4:12 pm

wreck1 wrote:

Um, no that may be your purpose, don't pre-suppose it is mine thanks.

wreck1 wrote:

For me the Quran is objective truth, just like some book would be objective truth. Books are sacred and not birds. And it says in the Quran that you could write your own books, but still you'd have to overcome us (muslims) dialectically. Violence which we preach and scares you so much comes after SHOULD discussion. Otherwise why would you be so offensiv with me?

Again, no piece of scriptural literature is objective truth because it originates from and is reinforced by personal epiphany which is very subjective. Unlike scientific literature which comes through the process of enquiry and experiment.

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08 Oct 2013, 4:39 pm

wreck1 wrote:

I need the ability to advocate mysefl, as Aspie. But I have always wanted to say this:
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And as Muslim.
I belive that that ultimate goal of Islam is victory over the enemy and unity. Today we are young and 20% of the worlds population holds 75f% of the worlds resources. While 80% holds the remaining 25% i guess. So we should invite to Islam and you are unjust if you oppose and refuse unite with the bigger body...

Proof:
[61.7] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah and he is invited to Islam, and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[61.8] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths but Allah will perfect His light, though the unbelievers may be averse.
[61.9] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

I will not make assumptions about you.

I would like to know if you know the difference between an unbeliever and a disbeliever.

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08 Oct 2013, 4:47 pm

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08 Oct 2013, 8:23 pm

thomas81 wrote:

wreck1 wrote:

Um, no that may be your purpose, don't pre-suppose it is mine thanks.

wreck1 wrote:

Just because you don't believe that to be your purpose doesn't mean that it is not your purpose. He could be right. And you can't know for sure that any scientific literature is sound without doing the experimentation yourself; biases affect scientists too (which is why there is creation "science") or it could be done or twisted to push a certain agenda. And the "religious" person would argue that their scriptural literature does not originate from us, rather it comes from the divine.

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08 Oct 2013, 8:40 pm

wreck1 wrote:

You do not necessarily need resources to succeed. Take Japan. They import most their resources, but grew like a weed. Also consider that over time, the importance of resources changes over time. This is if you mean natural resources mostly. As for other resources, abolish fiat money (which I think is one positive aspect of Islam. I wish more Christians heeded the words of Jesus about unfair scales ie., inflationary theft.)

As for religion, it allows those who can't formulate theories as well to be moral. It also leads to greater spirituality.

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08 Oct 2013, 9:03 pm

Its the West that complains about how the Muslims have all of the oil. So I dont know what this complaint about 'resources' is all about (assuming that you mean natural rescources).

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08 Oct 2013, 9:24 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

Its the West that complains about how the Muslims have all of the oil. So I dont know what this complaint about 'resources' is all about (assuming that you mean natural rescources).

That is what I was wondering. Unless he meant wealth.

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08 Oct 2013, 9:28 pm

wreck1 wrote:

It is difficult because every individual believes that his or her religion is the only one that is valid.

wreck1 wrote:

For me the Quran is objective truth, just like some book would be objective truth.

The Quran was written by a delusional momma's boy who took an 8-year old girl for a wife.

wreck1 wrote:

Books are sacred and not birds.

Life is more sacred than a dead tree.

wreck1 wrote:

And it says in the Quran that you could write your own books, but still you'd have to overcome us (muslims) dialectically.

It is sufficient to overcome muslims educationally, scientifically and economically.

wreck1 wrote:

Violence which we preach and scares you so much comes after SHOULD discussion.

Your Quran, written by the aforementioned pedophile, directs muslims to commit acts of violence against non-muslims.

Mohammed wrote:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

So much for the claim that Islam is the "religion of peace" - it is instead the Religion of Violence.

wreck1 wrote:

Otherwise why would you be so offensiv with me?

Many of us are offended by hypocrisy. We see the news on Al-Jazeera; we see how muslims fight muslims over ideologies; we see how muslims sentence women to 200 lashes after being gang-raped; we see that muslims shoot 10-year old girls in the head for getting an education; and we see the hatred that muslims have for the West in the mass murder of over 3000 people in one day by 19 muslim men.

We see the truth. We see what your Quran teaches. We see what your 'prophet' has wrought. Islam is all about violence against non-muslims, the subjugation of women, and the subversion of democracy.

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08 Oct 2013, 9:55 pm

the whole purpose of a religion is to provide its adherents answers about the universe.

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08 Oct 2013, 11:15 pm

auntblabby wrote:

the whole purpose of a religion is to provide its adherents answers about the universe.

I think in addition to what Auntblabby said, religion formed from the fundamental question of why are we here, why do we die.

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08 Oct 2013, 11:20 pm

also those concerns were the birthpangs of metaphysics in general.

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09 Oct 2013, 12:24 am

To answer the thread question

To control, subjugate and explain events that science has not yet found the answer to. Oh and to provide for those who like kiddie fiddling.

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09 Oct 2013, 1:23 am

Religion is just uttering nonsense and then pretend to have some question answered. Then force or delude people into accepting the 'answer'.

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Those people have the wealth because they are paying attention to reality. They make the computer you are using.

What have ever been produced by uttering the same magic book for centuries?

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