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22 Oct 2013, 11:33 am

This article is revealing. Notice how charges of anti-semitism are not even attempted. Partisan views on the peace process are juxtaposed with criticism of "Anti-Israel" organisations for their inability to acknowledge Israel's "attempts to make peace" (by cleansing the natives, of course). A truly desperate & revealing defensiveness.

http://www.adl.org/israel-international ... mW_Afkqhnh

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22 Oct 2013, 11:58 am

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Umm... thomas81, *you* are anti-Israel. Not only that, you have (more than once, last time I checked) advocated that Israel should not only cease to exist, but that the Jews living there should leave.

Which makes this thread an exercise in extreme hypocrisy.

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22 Oct 2013, 12:50 pm

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Perhaps the purpose of the thread is lost on you.

The issue is that even the most hardline Zionists (the ADL) are clutching at straws to discredit their opponents.

I never said that the Jews should leave, but i would like the political situation return to something resembling a pre-1946 arrangement.

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22 Oct 2013, 12:55 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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thomas81 wrote:

Perhaps the purpose of the thread is lost on you.

The issue is that even the most hardline Zionists (the ADL) are clutching at straws to discredit their opponents,

No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

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22 Oct 2013, 1:05 pm

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No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

This is precisely the sort of sanctimonious, hysterical blubbering contained within the ADL website. They even concede that not even some Jews want Israel to exist (not under its current guise at least) hence their reluctance to play the anti semite card.

No, the over riding issue is that groups like this want no entertainment payed to the idea that the indigenous people have a right to sovereignty over the lands in which their ancestors hail, and in lieu of which they advocate supporting an artificially enforced majority ushered in with mass migration and brute force.

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22 Oct 2013, 1:09 pm

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No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

What I said.

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22 Oct 2013, 1:26 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

What I said.

Cop-out? Okay, i accept your terms of surrender.

Also riddle me this.

Firstly, If the Zionist shills want us to believe that pro-Israeli sentiment within the Jewish community is as high as they would like us to think it is (not the broader zionist community, just Jewish mind) why is it that MORE than half of Jews choose not to live in Israel? If so many Jews support it how come most choose not to live there? Could it just be that A) They have it better in USA or Europe (making Israel's purpose redundant) or B) the greater proportion of Jews are either ambivalent, or god forbid, even HOSTILE to Israel?

Secondly good luck finding an anaologous pro-Israel think tank dominated by muslims.

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22 Oct 2013, 1:45 pm

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22 Oct 2013, 1:51 pm

Only 38 percent of American Jews believe that Israel wants peace.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/

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22 Oct 2013, 2:33 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Only 38 percent of American Jews believe that Israel wants peace.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/

What the study really said:

38 percent of American Jews believe that the Israeli Government is making a sincere effort to bring about a peace settlement with the Palestinians.

61 percent of American Jews believe that there is a way for Israel and an independent Palestinian State to co-exist peacefully.

Of course, it is no surprise that you did not report the attitudes of those 61 percent, as you do not want Israel to exist at all...

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22 Oct 2013, 2:34 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

Only 38 percent of American Jews believe that Israel wants peace.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/

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22 Oct 2013, 2:36 pm

I jest, but out of that 61 percent, whats more important is how many believe that Israel has the political will to actually seek a peaceful co-existance.

Pro-tip: They don't which is why they are continuously trying to gerrymander the population statistics.

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22 Oct 2013, 2:46 pm

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No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

Not saying anything like, but thomas81 supports Fatah.

On the eve of the Six Day War, Ahmed Shukairy, the first chairman of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation said:

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D-Day is approaching. The Arabs have waited 19 years [i.e. from 1948 to 1967] for this and will not flinch from the war of liberation.

A little later he made an even more elaborate statement:

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This is a fight for the homeland [i.e. pre-1967 Israel!]. It is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine [i.e. within pre-1967 lines] will have to leave. We shall destroy [pre-1967] Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors – if there are any – the boats are ready to deport them.

One can be reminded of that - and the endless antisemitic (not merely anti-Israel) propaganda pumped out by Fatah-controlled media - when the West isn't watching.

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22 Oct 2013, 2:47 pm

thomas81 wrote:

I jest, but out of that 61 percent, whats more important is how many believe that Israel has the political will to actually seek a peaceful co-existance.

The same study reported that only 12 percent of American Jews believed that the Palestinian government was making a sincere effort to bring about a peace settlement with Israel.

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Pro-tip: They don't which is why they are continuously trying to gerrymander the population statistics.

Source?

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22 Oct 2013, 3:11 pm

Tequila wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

No, the purpose of *all* of your threads regarding Israel is blatantly obvious to anyone. And the "issue" is that you don't want Israel to exist.

Not saying anything like, but thomas81 supports Fatah.

Which is a deliberate and cynical obfuscation of the truth.

What I actually said was, that between Hamas and Fatah, Fatah represented the best of two evils.

If we're talking about actual support, I would vouch for the PFLP but sadly they are the underdog in Palestinian politics.

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22 Oct 2013, 3:13 pm

GGPViper wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

I jest, but out of that 61 percent, whats more important is how many believe that Israel has the political will to actually seek a peaceful co-existance.

The same study reported that only 12 percent of American Jews believed that the Palestinian government was making a sincere effort to bring about a peace settlement with Israel.

Thats not what I asked.

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thomas81 wrote:

Pro-tip: They don't which is why they are continuously trying to gerrymander the population statistics.

Source?

Historic empiricism.

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