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thomas81
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30 Oct 2013, 10:45 am

This is a fantastic video which deserves a thread of its own.

Its easier to envisage the realities of living under a military blockade when its close to you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYamviV7ZSY[/youtube]


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30 Oct 2013, 10:57 am

Have you been there?



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30 Oct 2013, 11:00 am

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Have you been there?

If you mean London, yes.

If you mean the Gaza Strip, I have first hand testimonies of someone who has.

Either way, I spent my childhood in troubles era Belfast (when there was also army checkpoints). I'm not interested in making this thread about Northern Ireland though.


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30 Oct 2013, 1:04 pm

What about the bit where they then cut the bodies open, take the organs and then return the empty body sack to the distraught parents?



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30 Oct 2013, 2:01 pm

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What about the bit where they then cut the bodies open, take the organs and then return the empty body sack to the distraught parents?


I wish I could say I was surprised or shocked at that, but I've become almost desensitised to Israels audacity and contempt for the Palestinians.


Edit: Yup indeed.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/d ... ted-organs

*waits for a certain poster to come bounding on, with zero regard to the concept of luxury of objectivity to justify it with Hamas attacks X, Y and hyperlinks to anti Israel TV shows Z.*


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30 Oct 2013, 2:16 pm

thomas81 wrote:

I wish I could say I was surprised or shocked at that, but I've become almost desensitised to Israels audacity and contempt for the Palestinians.


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Not just the Palestinians, seems any of the Human Cattle are fair game, Baroness Tonge was sacked by the Liberal Party when she dared bring up the subject in the House of Lords of Israel harvesting the organs of Haiti earthquake victims.



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30 Oct 2013, 2:41 pm

Nambo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:

I wish I could say I was surprised or shocked at that, but I've become almost desensitised to Israels audacity and contempt for the Palestinians.


*


Not just the Palestinians, seems any of the Human Cattle are fair game, Baroness Tonge was sacked by the Liberal Party when she dared bring up the subject in the House of Lords of Israel harvesting the organs of Haiti earthquake victims.


what will it take for these clowns that root for the zionists to wake up and realise that Israel is not a true player among the civilised world?

Its a wolf in sheeps clothing.


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30 Oct 2013, 3:31 pm

I'll review it.

Not to be over critical but.......awful acting, with the occupiers all having British accents! Come on, this was more amateurish than a 1970s BBC production. At first it looked like it was going to be zombie firm...turns out to be just an exercise in antisemitism.

It's antisemitic because it presents all Israeli soldiers as cruel and heartless villains to the white-anglo British viewer. It plays on race to promote a bias demonizing another race . It teeters on the edge of being vile and borders on hate speech.

It's taking a situation outside of context, and using long established bigotry to push a political issue against the Jews. It's a totally unrealistic portrayal of how Israeli soldiers act, cites no evidence they behave this way and does nothing but promote hate. (Oh they won't let us "Brits go to the British hospital"...uggh..get some wine with this cheese.) I'm sure the producers intended to exploit British antisemitism by making this film as they did. Don't think for a second they did not realize what they were doing.

Two thumbs down on this film.


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30 Oct 2013, 3:48 pm

AutisticMillionaire wrote:
Not to be over critical but.......awful acting, with the occupiers all having British accents! Come on, this was more amateurish than a 1970s BBC production. At first it looked like it was going to be zombie firm...turns out to be just an exercise in antisemitism.

It's antisemitic because it presents all Israeli soldiers as cruel and heartless villains to the white-anglo British viewer. It plays on race to promote a bias demonizing another race . It teeters on the edge of being vile and borders on hate speech.

No, its true to the fact because it portrays actual events that have happened, and are still going on between the Israel-Palestine border. To shrug it off as hate speech is willful ignorance and complicity to brutality.

Its not anti semitic because
a) its based on actual events
b) many Jews are equally appalled by this behaviour exhibited by IDF soldiers.
c) Israel doesn't represent all Jews.

Even the forums most vocal Israel supporters aren't backing these ignorant and foolish assertions.

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It's taking a situation outside of context,
Again no its not. Its extrapolating whats going on in Palestine and bringing it to the UK to enable British viewers to understand whats going on over there,
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and using long established bigotry to push a political issue against the Jews.

No, because as I have already said, there are also Jews who oppose how the IDF treat Palestinians trying to cross the border,
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It's a totally unrealistic portrayal of how Israeli soldiers act,

and you know this because....?
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cites no evidence they behave this way and does nothing but promote hate.

Here you go, chump
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NuKV55w8WU[/youtube]

Watch how 2 big brave IDF troops harass an old man, and afterwards refer to the population of Ramallah as 'animals'.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorJMPtz1Fw[/youtube]
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(Oh they won't let us "Brits go to the British hospital"...uggh..get some wine with this cheese.) I'm sure the producers intended to exploit British antisemitism by making this film as they did. Don't think for a second they did not realize what they were doing.

Two thumbs down on this film.

Its got nothing to do with anti-semitism, British are otherwise. I don't know what the situation is in the US but a greater proportion of Europeans are awake to Israeli brutality. Thats got nothing to do with the Jewish identity or character. The creation of Israel was cheerled by anti-semites as a way to get Jews out of their country.


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30 Oct 2013, 3:51 pm

More fish n chips for everyone with a bit of vinegar!


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30 Oct 2013, 3:59 pm

Imagine if Hamas shot thousands of missiles at London, violating the ceasefires after a few months every time one was enacted. Imagine if a wall had to be created because suicide bombers killed hundreds of people in London every year. Imaginge if the UK was the first Western European country to stop the death penalty, ban torture and allow gay couples to adopt, but despite being surrounded by dictatorships were the only country that pseudointelectual left-wing journalists wanted to boycot. Imagine if London had been occupied in the iron age and the Brits had been repressed by both the Ottomans and the Byzantines in their own country. Imagine if brits were the main target of the Holocaust. Imagine if it was still considered politically correct to hold racist views against the Brits--and politically correct to support terrorism against London.

Palestine never existed. It belonged to Great Britain when Israel was recreated.



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30 Oct 2013, 4:05 pm

Gaza is not occupied by Israel.

Even Hamas says so.



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30 Oct 2013, 4:24 pm

Kurgan wrote:

Palestine never existed. It belonged to Great Britain when Israel was recreated.


This line alone shows you haven't got the faintest clue about Palestine or its history, and so should keep the rest of your exaggerations for excusing atrocities and ethnic cleansing to yourself.



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30 Oct 2013, 4:27 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Palestine never existed. It belonged to Great Britain when Israel was recreated.


Even if that was true, does it somehow justify how Israel treats the Palestinians?

If you're going to use a lack of statehood to justify oppression, by extension you legitimise centuries of oppression against the Jews.

You can't have it both ways.


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30 Oct 2013, 4:28 pm

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Gaza is not occupied by Israel.

Even Hamas says so.


You've never regarded Hamas as logical before,

why start now?


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30 Oct 2013, 4:30 pm

Nambo wrote:
Kurgan wrote:

Palestine never existed. It belonged to Great Britain when Israel was recreated.


This line alone shows you haven't got the faintest clue about Palestine or its history, and so should keep the rest of your exaggerations for excusing atrocities and ethnic cleansing to yourself.


There is no proof that there ever was a Palestine, nor that there ever was a separate Palestinian people. What was given back to the jews, was back then considered to be a southern region in Syria.