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25 Jan 2014, 8:11 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-gop-censu ... ction.html

8O They think that he's too "Liberal?" His knuckles just aren't close enough to the ground for them?



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25 Jan 2014, 8:27 pm

Why cant the GOP just let God - you know- make him autistic or something?

Seems a bit blasphemous of the GOP to punish him themselves doesnt it?



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25 Jan 2014, 10:12 pm

McCain is no conservative.


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25 Jan 2014, 10:20 pm

You really ought to get that spell checker fixed.


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25 Jan 2014, 10:20 pm

He's a political sell out who wants to be seen as fighting for conservative values.

I'm amazed Arizona is dumb enough to keep sending him back to DC.



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26 Jan 2014, 7:29 pm

"Political sellout?" Well, who isn't?

He was their candidate back in '08. He even guaranteed a Fox News career for Caribou Barbie.



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26 Jan 2014, 11:42 pm

Raptor wrote:
McCain is no conservative.


Uh, yeah he is.

Wiki wrote:
Various advocacy groups have given Senator McCain scores or grades as to how well his votes align with the positions of each group.[303] The American Conservative Union has awarded McCain a lifetime rating of 83 percent through 2012, while McCain has an average lifetime 12 percent "Liberal Quotient" from Americans for Democratic Action through 2011.[304]

The non-partisan National Journal rates a Senator's votes by what percentage of the Senate voted more liberally than he or she, and what percentage more conservatively, in three policy areas: economic, social, and foreign. For 2005–2006 (as reported in the 2008 Almanac of American Politics), McCain's average ratings were as follows: economic policy: 59 percent conservative and 41 percent liberal; social policy: 54 percent conservative and 38 percent liberal; and foreign policy: 56 percent conservative and 43 percent liberal.[305]

Columnists such as Robert Robb and Matthew Continetti have used a formulation devised by William F. Buckley, Jr. to describe McCain as "conservative" but not "a conservative", meaning that while McCain usually tends towards conservative positions, he is not "anchored by the philosophical tenets of modern American conservatism."[306][307] Following his 2008 presidential election loss, McCain began adopting more orthodox conservative views; National Journal magazine rated McCain along with seven of his colleagues as the "most conservative" Senators for 2010[308] and he achieved his first 100 percent rating from the American Conservative Union for that year.[302]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCai ... _positions

So even by Federal level American standards (which are f*cking insanely rightwing), McCain is a conservative.


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27 Jan 2014, 1:51 am

McShame is a disgrace and has no place in the party. The biggest fascist in the in US Senate and that's no easy competition.



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27 Jan 2014, 8:55 am

Well, this is an interesting turn. History is being rewritten. MLK is being cast as a Republican super-hero Conservative who went around shooting guns. And, John McCain is now a liberal fascist.

Abraham Lincoln was much more of a liberal-fascist hero in his day, especially compared to John McCain. Not a Conservative bone in his body. When is the Republican Party going to censure its first president?



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27 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm

I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.


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27 Jan 2014, 12:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.


McCain has no conscience, all he cares about is waging worldwide war and expanding the police state. He'll lie to voters and later sell out every conservative principle chasing these evil ends.



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27 Jan 2014, 12:46 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.


McCain has no conscience, all he cares about is waging worldwide war and expanding the police state. He'll lie to voters and later sell out every conservative principle chasing these evil ends.


But, he got a 100% Conservative rating from the American Conservative Union in 2010.

Remember: these are Conservatives, not Libertarians, who are excoriating Mr. McCain. Conservatives are basically okay with waging worldwide war and expanding the police state.



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27 Jan 2014, 2:19 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.


McCain has no conscience, all he cares about is waging worldwide war and expanding the police state. He'll lie to voters and later sell out every conservative principle chasing these evil ends.


But, he got a 100% Conservative rating from the American Conservative Union in 2010.

Remember: these are Conservatives, not Libertarians, who are excoriating Mr. McCain. Conservatives are basically okay with waging worldwide war and expanding the police state.


Very sound observation, friend Pariah! 8)


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27 Jan 2014, 2:58 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Raptor wrote:
McCain is no conservative.


Uh, yeah he is.

Wikipedia and some whishy-washy federal standard aside, the man is not a conservative. He is considerably further left than me and I'm overall center right at best. I know and have known several conservatives that I think are nuts and they think I'm a shrieking liberal.

Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.

No, what nearly every elected representative (republican and democrat) wants more than anything is another term. They only get that by votes and if that means blindly following the party line (or big money) then that's what they'll do.


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27 Jan 2014, 3:03 pm

Raptor wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Raptor wrote:
McCain is no conservative.


Uh, yeah he is.

Wikipedia and some whishy-washy federal standard aside, the man is not a conservative. He is considerably further left than me and I'm overall center right at best. I know and have known several conservatives that I think are nuts and they think I'm a shrieking liberal.

Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought the best of representatives vote their conscience, not to rubber stamp their party line.

No, what nearly every elected representative (republican and democrat) wants more than anything is another term. They only get that by votes and if that means blindly following the party line (or big money) then that's what they'll do.


Following one's conscience, or following the dictates of one's voting majority, it's still a damn sight better than being a political ideologue more concerned with towing the party line.
And there are conservatives who consider you a "shrieking liberal"!?!?!?!?! I dare say they haven't been reading your WP posts! :lol:


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27 Jan 2014, 3:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Following one's conscience, or following the dictates of one's voting majority, it's still a damn sight better than being a political ideologue more concerned with towing the party line.
Depends on what you mean by party line. The voting majority may be party liners or maybe not, depending. I can't help but notice that most (closer to all) of the liberals on this forum never criticize Obama, even when he clearly goes against what the party claims to uphold.

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And there are conservatives who consider you a "shrieking liberal"!?!?!?!?! I dare say they haven't been reading your WP posts! :lol:

Yes, but keep in mind that my conservativeisms will seem more pronounced among so many liberals. The only political compass test that I've ever taken that I thought was actually comprehensive enough to be considered anything close to definitive scored me at either 66% or 68% conservative. If I remembered which website that was I'd post it. I don't put much stock in tests like that (most are BS) but this one seemed to be the real deal if there is such a thing.
Trust me, If I'd scored 100% I'd LOVE to have proudly announced it here it just for the sheer resentment it would draw. :twisted:


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